To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

I'd never read that statement - and I think she does a huge injustice to women with that quote so on that note I'd say how anyone could look up to EW as a feminist with that opinion on clothes and what she perceives as 'sexy'??

What I will defend is the right for any woman to wear what they wan't without being judged - a sheer top does not preclude you from being a feminist! And we should absolute NOT judge other women on how we dress.

TBH feel a bit foolish 'sticking up' for her now after that - I absolutely stand by my thoughts that women should never judge what another wears, wearing a short skirt or low top does not make your opinion on feminism any more valuable than mine. And that's exactally how at true feminist should feel (IMO)

What's wrong with the less is more quite? She's not belittling women who do wear mini skirts it's just her opinion that she doesn't find it sexy.

What demands did she make for LaLa Land?

What's wrong with the less is more quite? She's not belittling women who do wear mini skirts it's just her opinion that she doesn't find it sexy.

There is a lot wrong with it! It's commenting on another's appearance. Of course it happens but in an ideal world it shouldn't matter one bit on taking an opinion into account! I.E you can't be a feminist if you wear a short skirt, love make up, god forbid you wear a sheer top!! You just need to read the comments on this page to see the utter rubbish spouted!

and on that note I'm off to bed lol! sorry if I seem a bit 'het up' about this subject but it really grates - personal experience has made me touchy as you get judged on a 'certain look' and termed 'dumb'

Really interesting to hear others take on it :)

morphene Because no woman was ever abused in the workplace before miley Cyrus was twerking 🙄

In discussion about this on the radio last night, someone describing themselves as a staunch feminist was having a go. Her closing statement was that feminism is about being a good sister and telling women they are making bad decisions, it's not about supporting them in their choices.

If that's feminism, then I'm out.

What's wrong with the less is more?

She did study English- possibly she is channelling Evelyn Waugh.

But he came of an earlier civilisation with sharper needs. He sought the intangible ; the veiled face in the fog; the silhouette at the lighted doorway; the secret graces of a body which hid itself under formal velvet

I agree with original

Ella maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it says nothing about a persons intelligence or whether it makes someone able to be a feminist, or that it matters what you wear. She was stating that this is what people want her to wear and in her opinion she doesn't think that's sexy, she's not chastising anyone for it or making personal assumptions about people who do.

to me seeing that quote and saying she's saying all those things is the same as someone stating "I dislike eastenders" and then hearing someone say what they're saying is " the squares garbage, they can't be a fan of soaps because of this stance" etc. Surely everyone has preferences but when she doesn't actually make assumptions about some bodies ability to be a feminist then I don't see how you can infer that either?

It's far more judgemental than just saying "I don't like Eastenders/mini skirts"

She is not saying she is assuming anyone dressed in a short skirt is not intelligent etc. What is wrong is the judgemental wording "I'm here with my boobs out, everything on display" The I'm in that remark is not herself- but other women displaying themselves.

Apparently in 2013 she criticised Beyoncé for claiming to be a feminist but posing for revealing photos. Grrrreat big hypocrite.

Bill has your views changed over the years have you ever learnt anything new and changed your mind. My views from the age of 23 has certainly changed over the years. EW is allowed to experiment and be free to make a choice. She may look back and cringe but for now she is young and doing what she wants. No one owns her and no one can tell her what to do.

I'd criticize Beyonce as well and in fact anyone else like her who thinks it's acceptable to make trainers out of anaconda skins

" No one owns her and no one can tell her what to do."

Really? Not Burberry? Not the studios making the films she wants to be in?

Well apparently not Bertrand considering as I mentioned before she's in beauty and the bras and absolutely said no to wearing a corset, and made demands for La La Land which she obviously didn't step down from as she was replaced by Emma Stone. I don't really follow Emma Watson but these are things I've heard about her recently. So obviously she does stick by her own standards if she wants to do something. Then the studios/ fashion designers can agree to go along with them limitations or find another that will do it without limitations. So it seems she's strong enough to say she doesn't want to do something.

By that logic Bertrand, all celebrities are owned by someone

By that logic Bertrand, all celebrities are owned by someone

Or every person in paid employment- although i suppose a Marxist would say we are all wage slaves.

Was she actually asked to wear a corset for B&B?
The only demands I can find her making for LaLaland are that it be filmed in London which would have got her a YABU if she'd asked for opinions on MN.

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And well it may BU but she asked and they said no so she could have said OK I'll do it but she didn't and they went for Emma Stone I think there were 1-2 other things she wanted for the role but I can't remember them

I'd criticize Beyonce as well and in fact anyone else like her who thinks it's acceptable to make trainers out of anaconda skins what's that got to do with the price of fish 🐟?

Those who do nothing wrong with the Kat post I posted. The slimmest way I can translate what she is said it's slut shaming. By not wearing the mini skirts all the other things she decided to do is protecting herself from all those people who would love to see her bits she would rather cover. Her boobs are included in the body parts she assumed would be slut shamed.
The boldest words and the last sentence says it all. Leaving her body a mystery to the world. The only women I ever hear that said about are those who wish to preserve themselves and those who prefer or a demanded they protect their virginity. The untouched. The not so dirtied by sex and the wants of men.

Her response yesterday or the day before shows nativity.

Total bollocks. She is a rich straight white female. She has way more choice than anyone technically not true. If that was true we would not be discussing patriarchy which crosses wealth and class barriers. What you said is what could be said as total bollocks. At the moment she is not an island. The industry she is in are awash with men in every part of her work.
Well she said no to a movie and they found a better person to play the part.
By that logic Bertrand, all celebrities are owned by someone yup! First people that comes to mind is the managers and agents then work your way up from there. Very few people are independent.

@las I agree with wage slave/proletariats feeding the capitalist bourgeoisies.

Yesterday I snap-shotted tweets by someone who explained the EW type of image vs Beyoncé labeled as good and bad by patriarchy.

I'd criticize Beyonce as well and in fact anyone else like her who thinks it's acceptable to make trainers out of anaconda skins what's that got to do with the price of fish ?

I find that behaviour far more reprehensible than anything Emma Watson has said or done.

@lass I agree with wage slave/proletariats feeding the capitalist bourgeoisie

To be absolutely clear I made that comment on the assumption that someone would do doubt reference it- it is not view.

Me and my 4 dc are watching Beauty and the Beast next week. I am looking forward to it. I don't get out much

I find that behaviour far more reprehensible than anything Emma Watson has said or done. I hate snakes. I have no empathy for anything snakes.

Whether you agree with it or not, there is a basis and point to that view which I agree with.

^Londonsburningahhhh Tue 07-Mar-17 22:48:02
Me and my 4 dc are watching Beauty and the Beast next week. I am looking forward to it. I don't get out muchsad^

Can I ask why? apprantley it a fab movie and nothing to do with some of the rubbish on this thread. Can't wait to see it too!

what's that got to do with the price of fish

Because a PP, BillSykesDog, said :
Apparently in 2013 she criticised Beyoncé for claiming to be a feminist but posing for revealing photos. Grrrreat big hypocrite.

So I was responding to that comment. I could also say what has your view of snakes got to do with the price of fish either. Fair enough you don't like them but others do and not liking something isn't a reason to want it harmed or made into someone else's footwear