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To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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MutePoint · 28/02/2017 19:47

To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

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Londonsburningahhhh · 02/03/2017 13:35

The fact that you think she can "pull it off" implies that you would be utterly judgemental of her if she were fat.

I was complementing how she looked in the picture don't look for an argument that's not there.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 02/03/2017 14:03

Exactly. It is a very obviously very unpractical "outfit" - not really clothes

There is more to deciding whether or not to wear something than whether it is practical

There is more to deciding whether a garment makes the wearer feel good about themselves than whether or not it gives pleasure to random strangers.

There is such a streak of dictatorial puritanism in some feminist views.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 02/03/2017 14:11

"Feminists who wish to supress other women dressing or presenting themselves in a sexually attractive manner are suppressing their feminity..."

But........
Bert FWR is always banging on about "performing femininity". It's usually performed unthinkingly and anything feminine is to be sneered at. It's wearing and patronising.

BertrandRussell · 02/03/2017 14:15

"Performing femininity" is a thing. Some women do it. It is an anti feminist thing to do. Not everything a woman does is automatically a feminist thing. It is OK for women to question other women's motives. It is also OK to suggest that the choices women sometimes make are not necessarily as free as they think they are.

Londonsburningahhhh · 02/03/2017 14:25

You look at the picture and think she is not respecting herself, I look at the picture and see her playing a part. The human body is not dirty it's beautiful in all its shapes.

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:28

I suppose women in the west are not free at all. The fact they can vote, own property etc

Nope. Not as free as they think

Meanwhile in the middle east.....

BertrandRussell · 02/03/2017 14:31

"You look at the picture and think she is not respecting herself"
No, I don't think that at all.

And yes, there are more overt and immediate problems in other parts of the world. Your point?

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2017 14:32

I look at this thread and despair... I really do.

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:33

My point? Of course western women are free compared to other parts of the world

Western women have choices galore

BertrandRussell · 02/03/2017 14:34

Did anyone deny it?

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:34

You did upthread

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:36

It is also OK to suggest that the choices women sometimes make are not necessarily as free as they think they are

Here

quencher · 02/03/2017 14:37

I am so bored of this "male gaze" point- as if all garments are designed with that in mind and the only reason for choosing anything other than 1984 style unisex overalls is because you are pandering to and pleasing men.
You might be bored of it but there is a point to it. It has to be judged in context based on things like, religious belief, cultures, race, place and time. Which of those examples oppresses in which way. It's not about wearing Unisex clothes. Unisex cloths can easily be oppressive by inhibiting those who love to be different. Which brings it down to context. It's meaning to the people who dictate the clothing.
As long as women still feel that they are being oppressed, the way we dress and present our selves to the world will be topic of conversation. Others will disagree and people might not depending on the woman and other issues surrounding them. The fact that her clothing is more topic of conversation, it shows what value it has to us as society. It might be because it's a very important subject or it could be an easy way of staying way form the more challenging issues.
My own understanding is that clothing, it's meaning and value is manifestation of who we are as a society. We project our views, ideologies and ideals on what we want to look like and come cross. As a collective, with similar ways of thinking it becomes social norms. Which are usually dictated and changed by strong personalities, power and characters among us. In this case, the patriarchal power dominates. We haven't got to the point of equality where we can say it's an equilibrium. So, anything that goes against the oppressed will be scrutinised by the oppress. The move will be dissected and debated. Just to make sure it's helping the course for the betterment of all.

And no, not the menz. They hold the power. Saying they are being objectified is meaningless because they do not lose value. The view of them does not change. We might think of them as show offs or other none vile words out that degrades them to the bottom of the human pyramid as the worst people.

However, for societies, they hold meaning that defines a woman's sexuality. Whether it's threatening or conforming to different types of women. From being a lady to slut, whore etc. That is why you have slut walk. the women feel they will be able to break down that barrier where clothing has no meaning on how a woman's sexuality is defined. Your cloths should not be used as a way of judging a woman promiscuity. Selecting those of marriageable kinds to those who are of easy access for sex and rape.

To society that loves boobs for sexual pleasure and not for feeding it's young, an underboob/ boobs / nipple is a big deal because it's projecting what is seen as sexual. We pixilate them for the fear it's sexual. Children cannot see them because they hold titillating value.
My grandmother walked topless and braless round the house and compound. She didn't think much of her breast as anything sexual. People who came to visit didn't care. By the way, she was not the only one. It was a cultural thing. They were just breast which fed her children. Part of her body like the arms and legs
I wonder why men's breast aren't pixilated? 🤔 let me guess!

shovetheholly · 02/03/2017 14:39

I think in these cases it matters greatly how someone is presented. A naked body that is presented for the male gaze is very different from a naked body that is presented on its own terms. (Otherwise, we're just into prudishness, right?) For me, this is somewhere between the two, but more empowering than disempowering.

BertrandRussell · 02/03/2017 14:44

"It is also OK to suggest that the choices women sometimes make are not necessarily as free as they think they are"

Miss- if you think this means that I don't think "western women have choices galore" or that Western women have more choices have more choices than women in many other parts of the world then we are speaking completely different languages......

quencher · 02/03/2017 14:47

*I suppose women in the west are not free at all. The fact they can vote, own property etc

Nope. Not as free as they think

Meanwhile in the middle east.....* why stop halfway and be lazy when you can solve the injustices that still exist. I believe now it's getting to the point men/patriarchy are starting to feel the change. It's starting to affect their views. Those who believe it will always fight back to retain and gain powers of and similar to the good old days.

Being feminine is not the problem. It's the loaded message that goes with it that's the problem. That is what feminist are trying to fight against and always have.

Pagwatch · 02/03/2017 14:53

It's Vanity Fair. It's high fashion. She's a feminist. I'm a feminist. She can wear what she wants. It's not porn, she's wearing more than a lot of women her age on a night out.
What they wear doesn't make them 'up for it'
What she is wearing does not diminish her feminism.

I think some people are just really, really enjoying their disappointment .

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:56

Those who believe it will always fight back to retain and gain powers of and similar to the good old days

Like what happened recently with DV laws in Russia?

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 14:58

I think some people are just really, really enjoying their disappointment

I agree. Given that Emma Watson has done more for feminism than most whiny MN posters

PacificDogwod · 02/03/2017 15:00

Yep.

RebelRogue · 02/03/2017 15:02

Some more pics from the same shoot because I'm a stubborn sod. GrinGrin

To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless
To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless
To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless
Elendon · 02/03/2017 15:04

I think she looks less attractive than Germaine Greer

This is her in her 20s

quencher · 02/03/2017 15:06

@misswatch the good old days was sarcastic. People who see progressives nature of women as the bad days. Imagine the good old days when you could beat your wife and kids. When you could be racist and sexist and people would laugh with you. Yes! It still happens but we learning and that is going against the freedom they had while oppressing the oppressed. The table is starting to turn and they don't like it.

Oblomov17 · 02/03/2017 15:07

She isn't topless.
Obama with no t shirt on, is 'draining'?
Hmm

Missswatch · 02/03/2017 15:09

Sure. Many don't like it. There are lots that do. I noticed, albeit anecdotally, many millenials are fine with how much better things are today and can't imagine a time women were beaten by their husbands

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