..in thinking this isn't a fair method of discipline?

[yorkshirelass79]

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To me the collective responsibility issue would be diminished in terms of its negative impact on 'innocents' if it were not bound up with the undermining of a positive reward system.

Collective punishment/consequence? - maybe. Collective undermining of haard work and achievement? - no way!

OFSTED, in their infinate wisdom, don't say anything caligual. they say 'Don't do thos' but seldom, if ever give you another way of dealing with the problem.

They say 'Don't exclude' as it disadbvatages the excluded child, but don't tell you how you can deal with the child, and the disadvantage that will give to the rest of the class if they continue to dosrupt.

At the moment a lesson will be deamed to be 'unsatisfactory' by ofstead if even 1 chaild does not make progress in the lesson.

So, if you have a class of 26 kid, 25 of them work and do very well, but the 26 isn't working because he has an argument with his girlfriend. or if parent have just split up, or he has a hair up his arse for the day because he is just being a teenager, the teacher is deamed to hhave failed.

Utter arse. I'd love to put the inspector in front of the same class and say 'Show me how to do it then'

I'm never quite sure what OFSTED's role is. They appear to have carte blanche to criticise negatively without any responsiblity to set positive guidelines.

I'm always amazed when I hear about teachers using behaviour techniques which are obviously rubbish and which a cursory reading of any parenting manual would indicate was a no-no. I would've thought they'd learn positive behaviour-management techniques as part of their training, but if some of the teachers I've come across are anything to go by (to say nothing of the mumsnet horror stories), that's not the case. When you think that it's such an important part of teaching, it's extraordinary that more emphasis isn't put on it.

As for the circumstance of being able to fail a teacher because one pupil is doing badly - good grief. They seem to use exactly the same management techniques which if parents or teachers used to manage behaviour/ education, they'd heavily criticise (and rightly so). Talk about focusing on the negative.

That's what happens when the govt sets targets