..in thinking this isn't a fair method of discipline?

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And?

actually greensleeves is the absolute opposite of boring
she is charming, bright, interesting and extremely articulate
oh and very very argumentative

think you will find you did it with your thought provoking opening post

yes, and if their behaviour continues there will be no more custard creams!
let them eat arrowroot

lol at no biscuits

(is that you JARM? why are you a tart?? IYSWIM...)

no not JARM, nor a tart

LOL, if she had picked just about any other insult nobody would have disagreed

"Greeny's not boring, she's a belligerent nutjob"

Is that what they call a Pyrrhic victory?

oh yes you are certainly belligerent
but in a good way

Thank you

More slanging matches?????

I missed it.

And i was right in the mood for one too.

Thank you

Now now children. play nicely or I will get MNHQ to ban everyone who has posted on this thread!

A bit of peer pressure will teach you how to behave

She started it

Ooh, I see all the while that I've been feeding myself you have been having a jolly time. That's nice . We need some more smilies.

Thank you

God personal insults are boring arent' they.

Collective responsibility is specifically forbidden in the adult world isn't it? Particularly in relation to war crimes etc.

No-one has answered my question: if OFSTED are so anti it, why do schools do it so often?

I try not to do it.

Why do teachers do it, probably despiration. If you have stood in front of a class for days or week, tried all the things you can think off an nothing has worked, then you may be desparate enough to try it.

Doesn't make it right, but teachers are human.

There are also times when 5 kids messing round can make it to dangerous for the erst of the class to do an activity....I have cancelled practicals for this reason. Not often, but I have done it because he safety of the kids is my prime concern. More often I stop specific students, but soetimes if there are lots of them mucking about, you simply don't have the time to stop each mirscreant individually.

And I'll bet that if I do this, some parent, somehwere will think that I am 'picking on' their kid. That theor kid has got a ban name, and I'm over reacting.

There are times when nothing we do is right. There you go.

House points are like star charts aren't they? I'm not a fan of star charts but if a reward based system is used I believe that it should be an incentive focused approach rather than reward/punishment focused.

So, the child is rewarded for 'good' behaviour/success. The reward system does not morph into a punishment system via the removal of points/stars.

Removal of points undermines achievement. If a star or point has been earned then it should not be removed.

Of course a good reward based system should be backed up by positive behaviour management/discipline structures. The reward is reinforcement of positive behaviour - and should not be used to punish imo.

So what do OFSTED suggest in the face of time constraints re finding out who is individually to blame?

Whoever said about the police rounding people up etc., this does actually happen in real life - especially when it comes to football matches, demos etc.

People tend not to be charged with stuff or fined on the spot, but they do get marched off to the cells for the ngiht if they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The police always issue an apology afterwards though, and mostly people accept that mistakes happen. I think the issue is acknowlegement - that we all know in a crowd situation, you can't always be fair to everyone. But you acknowledge that you've been unfair, because of logistics.