Transing a 4 year old

[ShadowChancellor]

On Monday, all the children at my kids school were taught about being transgender because the parent of a reception kid have decided that X is actually Y and are now sending their kid in as the opposite sex and have changed their name.

According to my kid they were shown a video that was all about how if you were a boy and liked girl things and girl clothes you were a girl and it was all very positive.

No parents were told before this happened. We only found out when the kids came out of school on Monday and told us.

AIBU to a) think that transing a kid at 4 years old is more to do with the parents not liking the fact that their kid prefers girls toys to boys toys and b) that the other parents should've been told before they showed our kids this film and promoted it all in school.

Its caused a lot of confusion with the younger kids who think you can change whether you are a boy or girl just by wishing it and didn't mention at all all of the problems that it can cause.

I'm in completely shock!!

Was this in England?? What county??

Why does the county matter newventuremum? Do you think that gender differs along with an accent?

A couple of people have made the important point (often overlooked) that the trans thinking is often driven by (unconscious, probably) homophobia. Is it easier to accept your boy is "really a girl" than that he might be gay?

To give children medication to stop the onset of puberty is a disgrace! do these blockers cause infertility?

Blockers immediately followed by opposite sex hormones do result in infertility

I've watched the video,and the whole 'boys toys = trucks / girls toys = princesses' thing is so wrong! I would be really unhappy with my children seeing this video for that reason alone, as it completely reinforces gender stereotypes and presents them as facts.

That's scary! It's like forced sterilisation! By forced I mean a child who has yet to start puberty does not have the emotional capacity to make a huge decision about their future! I'm shocked

YANBU OP that's crazy. The school are very wrong to put those ideas in the heads of children so young.

I would be taking it up with the head, and hope other parents will too.

@offthecuff

I don't know about the questions but I can see that the interest in sensory items/ stimulus which are usually 'girl gendered' might be a strong cross over.

A boy of friends only watched strictly and asked for ball dresses as a 3 year old. Later dx asd. Autistic young children often enjoy floaty, ribbony material as seen on princesses, long hair etc.

This ideology is in the interests of big pharma but it is also in the interests of the late transitioning men who like to describe themselves as lesbians.

These guys are typically well off, white and work in STEM fields. Most are fathers and are, or have been, married. They have lots of money. Just 6 individuals fund 30 gender clinics in the USA.

They are heavily invested in creating an image of transgenderism as a sort of super gay, and a big part of that is the idea that you are "born this way". This is to distract from the fact that these days most transwomen are typically sexually motivated, are sexually attracted to women, are not dysphoric and do not have surgery. 80% of transwomen have, and plan to keep, their penis.

That's not even all of it, Dallyw.

This is an article about Lupron, one of these nice safe reversible puberty blockers (also used to treat prostate cancer via chemical castration).

Puberty is talked about casually as if it's not an essential for the body and brain to mature completely, as if it's merely an optional extra only necessary for "cis" children

Autogynephiles, you mean Prawn?

Totally agree with you btw. I'm utterly convinced that a very large subset of transwomen (primarily the middle aged heterosexual man subset) are not dysphoric and are basically fetishists who decide to dress as women full time. It's not about "feeling like a woman" it's "I find dressing like a woman a massive turn on and want to do it permanently". There's a very good reason why they keep their penises because you can't masturbate without it

I know of TWO families locally that have what they suspect to be trans kids. One is 2.5 months and the other is 3.

I feel like giving them a fucking good slap.

2.5 years not months!!!!

Hell it won't be long, bummy...
"I knew from the amount of kicking it must be a boy, even when the midwife pronounced I had a girl"

In an ideal world, social services would be round to slap them give the family some support and find out what's going on

Empress that is shocking. I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't know this was going on! I just assumed nothing causing permanent damage to the child would happen until they were old enough to make an informed choice! I have nothing against adults making the decision to change gender. I personally don't understand it, but it is their life to do with what they wish.

What a massive pile of bullshit that video is. She types that Joe being Joe and liking the things that he likes 'wasn't a phase' like that's significant in some way. Is she waiting for Joe's twin to grow out of his personality and interests and become more stereotypically feminine? Nah, didn't think so. So why are gender non-conforming kids expected to grow out of being themselves?

"I knew from the amount of kicking it must be a boy, even when the midwife pronounced I had a girl"

Jazz Jennings reckons an old wives tale predicted his gender before he was born.

Empress that is shocking. I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't know this was going on!

Don't be, Dallyw, you're not meant to know! Mumsnet is one of the few places we can actually talk openly about this stuff.

Pallisers I think it is very interesting.

"...I think trans is becoming so prevalent that it might become easier to move back in the future." I really hope so, that is one tiny ray of sunshine in this whole mess.

And

"... also find it hard to judge parents who are dealing with something like this - I have changed my mind on many things based on actually having that experience with my own children." I do agree. No idea how I would handle this. Now so know of the harm Luprone can cause I think it is appalling young children have been subjected to this!

Also "A young child expressing that he is a different gender is baffling but personally I think the trans thing in teenagers is a new language and way for them to express emotions etc. My daughter's school has a lot of trans fluid/neutral etc kids. I doubt any of them are doing any physical or medical interventions. It is part of them trying to figure out who the hell they are and how they live in the world."

To somr extent so agree. Like pink or Goth!

However, for some women it really is tied up in a personal misogyny. Hating their bodies etc. Some women who 'transition' have been subjected to sexual violence. I can totally see why transitioning 'out of' being female would be tempting! But the reality is that even trans men can be subject to make violence.

FishInAWetSuitAndFlippers you are such a brilliant parent. I wish so could help more. What can I tell my MP about self identity and how it is harming children like your child? Please post or pm me. I want to speak to my MP with wisdom and concern not my usual frothing at the mouth 'angry from Mayfair'!!!

I mean anonymously of course!

From that video, "We were advised to start transitioning as soon as possible."

Why? The suicide statistic really get on my tits. Is any other statistical lie bandied about so freely by people who should know better? Did the Tavistock really tell them that or was that Mermaids being 'helpful'?

I would be incandescent if my kids' school showed them that video, especially at that young age. It's spreading untruths apart from anything else.

Incidentally, why do trans children get to choose their name? Other kids are just stuck with the name they're given.

*this (your comments) Pallisers not it!

Sorry brain gone numb! I think this (Pallisers' comments) are very interesting.

Punk not pink!