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To have judged this mum?

342 replies

Flowersinyourhair · 15/02/2017 14:42

I've just witnessed some awful parenting in a cafe and feel slightly rubbish that I looked away and said nothing.

Sitting in a cafe at lunchtime with my two girls (youngest a toddler, oldest 10). On the table next to us are two women, clearly friends, and their collective 3 children (a baby, an 18 month old-ish and a toddler of a similar age to mine). Lots of smiling between the kids, parents chatting etc. All well, until it's time for them to leave.

Woman 1 grabs hold of the toddler with no preamble, no warning, just reaches over and grabs him while still chatting to her friend. Child predictable yells "no", starts crying and kicking off about leaving. Mother forcibly shoves him into his pushchair next to the 18 month old sibling. Child now crying in earnest. Mum gets down in his face and yells at him to "shut up or I'll give you something to cry about". Child now desperate. He reaches out and grabs something from the table, knocking some bottles over. Mother immediately hits him. It then becomes clear that he's grabbed the bottle because he was thirsty. Mother now gives him the drink, telling him for not telling her he needed a drink and being "a naughty boy" instead. At one point she apologise to the friend she was with who said "it's ok". The woman then said to the child "she doesn't think you're ok. She thinks you're a naughty boy who deserved that smack".
My children were really upset by this. When this woman shouted, she really shouted and they were really close to where we were sat.

I kept quiet throughout but to be honest I wish I'd said something. If this woman behaves like that in public, lord knows what those children go through at home. Notably, when she shouted in the toddlers face, the 18 month old sitting right next to him didn't even flinch.

The other mum, with the baby, gave me a "sorry" look as they left. I'm hoping that maybe she's in a position to intervene if needed.

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Flowersinyourhair · 18/02/2017 07:44

"I am simply explaining to you what the intention behind a painless smack is"
Sorry Trifle, has this knowledge been acquired as part of some extensive research or something? You speak so confidently about it whilst telling us all that you don't do it. Surely you don't profess to speak for all of the parents in the land who chose to hit their children?
I don't hit my children. Never have, never will. However as a child I was on the receiving end more than once and I promise you it was never painless.

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RainbowsAndUnicorn · 18/02/2017 07:55

Cara, me too.

Hitting a defenceless chid shows a lack of control and not knowing right from wrong.

I've managed dangerous situations without ever resorting to hitting a child.

If you needed to smack to control behaviour or situations we would have no teachers or nurseries.

Thinkingblonde · 18/02/2017 08:01

I was in your position once OP. I did intervene and got told to mind my own fucking business.
It was in a supermarket, I was waiting at the kiosk to return something, there was a man in front of me with a little girl who was aged 3 or thereabouts. She was tugging on the mans sleeve for attention, from the way she was jiggling about it looked like she needed a wee. The man picked her up then roughly shoved her onto a low bench in front of the plate glass window, she got off the bench and went back to the man who then bent down to yell fuck off at her. He then shoved her back onto the bench, yelled 'Now fucking stay there!'.
No one said a word except me. I asked him if he was proud of himself for treating his daughter like that.
He got into my face and told me to 'Mind my own fucking business'.
I did so but unfortunately for him I knew the child's sister, she was a pupil at the school I worked at, (I am not a teacher) There'd been concerns about this family for some time, so on the Monday I reported what I'd seen to the head.

Trifleorbust · 18/02/2017 08:09

Of course I don't speak for everyone. I speak from my experience, just like you do. In my case, it is from speaking to parents and friends (yes, friends) who have and do smack their children when they feel the need arises.

You are getting very snippy!

Flowersinyourhair · 18/02/2017 08:41

Have you spoken up about them smacking their children Trifle? I imagine it would be much easier to do as a friend/relative than with a complete stranger.

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Trifleorbust · 18/02/2017 08:49

Why on earth would I speak up? I am not the one arguing against it. Their kids, totally legal - as long as they aren't hurting them it is none of my business.

DianaMemorialJam · 18/02/2017 08:53

Flowers however much you, I or anyone else doesn't like it, Trifle is right. It's legal. If you criticise a parent for doing something that isn't illegal, however much you don't like it, you're in the wrong unfortunately.

Rixera · 18/02/2017 10:27

You can't speak out as long as it's not illegal?
What ridiculous non-logic is that?
It's not illegal to paint my daughter's room entirely grey, dress her like she's in a Victorian workhouse and only teach her to speak Latin but I'd certainly have words if someone were to do that.

Uhohmummy · 18/02/2017 10:36

What a horrible, sad situation. I don't blame you for not saying something at the time - it sounds quite shocking.
When things like this happen to me and I regret my behaviour after I find it helpful to go through the scene again and rationally think out what I could have done differently. It obviously won't change what happened but it might mean you're better "armed" to intervene the next time. I probably would have said something to the mother like "do you need some help" - non judgy/confrontational but clearly shows people are noticing her behaviour.

Trifleorbust · 18/02/2017 10:42

Rixera: I didn't say I can't speak out. I asked why I would, when it is not only legal but I have no massive issue with it.

Rixera · 18/02/2017 11:03

I meant Diana, who said you can't criticise if it's not illegal, which is absurd

Trifleorbust · 18/02/2017 11:17

Rixera: Oh right, sorry. Well, I suppose I agree with her. You can criticise internally all you like but to intervene is going overboard when someone is entitled to behave as they are doing. If you bothered me in a public place like that I would call police myself in the end, depending on how you responded to my polite request for you to mind your own business.

DianaMemorialJam · 18/02/2017 15:02

Rix that's not what I meant. But the reaction that has been mentioned here a few times 'mind your fucking business', well they're kind of right. They're not breaking the law. I'm not advocating what they've done.

DianaMemorialJam · 18/02/2017 15:04

Speaking out won't make it illegal or stop them doing what they do. If they're within the confines of the law there's not a lot anyone can do is there?

DianaMemorialJam · 18/02/2017 15:06

There's lots of things other parents do that I don't agree with. I'm sure there's things I do that other parents don't agree with. But if they decided to give me their uninvited opinion on it, I would tell them where to go because it's none of their business!

(And yes, I will say again, I don't agree with hitting children)

SaltBae · 18/02/2017 15:36

Haven't RTFT but all I think when I read your OP is that you're far too holier than thou and you sound a bit precious tbh

CaraAspen · 18/02/2017 19:45

Legal? Hmmmm. Legal is not set in stone; legal can be challenged.

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