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...to ask you to support this event?

342 replies

Niamer · 11/02/2017 23:26

www.uniteforeurope.org

  • we are about to spend £120 billion extricating ourselves from the EU. That money is desperately needed in health and social care sectors.
  • many Leave campaign promises, voted for in good faith are untrue
  • millions of people directly affected by Brexit were not allowed a vote.
-the referendum was advisory. To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.
  • Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.
  • we are turning our back on our friends and allies of 40 years
  • EU citizens in the UK are uncertain of their rights and in many cases feel unwelcome.

I don't like particularly enjoy going to London, I hate crowds, but I HAVE to be at this march. Please consider attending and sharing this event. We are all victims of a fraudulent campaign and are facing a Tory hard destructive unopposed Brexit. I will NOT let this happen to my children without a fight.

OP posts:
twofingerstoEverything · 14/02/2017 13:46

fruitbat I think you need to calm down a bit. Good for you if you're happy with Brexit. How nice. A lot of people aren't. In particular, they're not happy with the divisive hard Brexit TM is pursuing and they have a right to protest this.

Amymay1984 · 14/02/2017 13:46

Totally agree. Many people have voted to leave as the EU have been made into a scape goat. Most issues in this country are due to the UK government not the EU.

GraceGrape · 14/02/2017 13:48

Indeed, my view is that it has no mandate for Brexit at all, since they agreed only to an advisory referendum to gauge public opinion

I believe that to be untrue. No-one said, and it doesn't say in the legislation for the referendum, that it was "to gauge public opinion".

I wouldn't disagree that the legislation was sloppy, but nowhere did it imply this was an opinion gathering exercise.

This is the wording of the referendum Bill. The referendum was legislated as advisory. The government should have made this clearer at the time though.

...to ask you to support this event?
twofingerstoEverything · 14/02/2017 13:50

I think Brexit will be a disaster, especially for young people.
That's why people will be marching. Yesterday, the Telegraph reported that one of the costs of Brexit is likely to be another increase in retirement age. link
It is those under 40 who will be affected: the very people who were most likely to have voted remain.

fruitbat2008 · 14/02/2017 13:51

Fed up of fighting this with you bunch of idiots I will always defend brexit and think throwing your toys out of your prams because the vote didn't go the way you wanted is pathetic if it went to vote again it would be the same outcome give it up for gods sake and stop wasting your time!

bexgb · 14/02/2017 13:55

I will be going on the March. I am going for my daughter's sake because I feel she'll be worse off and have fewer opportunities outside the EU. I also fear the wider instability, weaker economy and less tolerant society we're heading towards.
I'm also very worried about how the tories and media are using the referendum for their own agenda. First, they use the 'will of the people' to justify whatever they want to do, and, whoever disagrees with it, is referred to as 'enemies of the state/people'. Does this remind you of anything out of the history books? I do not want my daughter to grow up in a fascist state.

ReleaseTheBats · 14/02/2017 13:55

fruitbat I spend a lot of time asking remain voters not to call leave voters idiots. It's not helpful for anyone to throw insults around Flowers

ReleaseTheBats · 14/02/2017 13:58

I don't really know why I put Flowers ...

Minty82 · 14/02/2017 13:58

Yes, I will absolutely be on the march - I couldn't look my children in the eye if I didn't do everything I can to defend their freedoms and to demonstrate to the wider world that this insane attempt to cut us off from our neighbours, make us dependent on the whims of Trump, ignore the cause of 70 years of stability in Europe and open the floodgates to the kind of hate speech and xenophobia we've seen become accepted in the past year is NOT endorsed by anyone in Britain with half a brain cell.

themueslicamel · 14/02/2017 13:58

I weighed it all up, cut out the spin from both sides and voted.

For me, I am glad we are coming out of the EU, but It's your democratic right to protest if you wish.

It won't change anything though.

Minty82 · 14/02/2017 13:59

Sorry ReleaseTheBats. But honestly...

TinfoilHattie · 14/02/2017 13:59

Oooh a march on parliament! How terribly student-y.

Won't be attending. (And I voted remain in the referendum). But being Scottish i am WELL aware how divisive it is to disrespect a democratic decision and demand it be reversed.

Amymay1984 · 14/02/2017 14:01

Seriously? "throwing toys out of the pram"? Do you honestly feel people are reacting this way because they 'lost'? Do you not think that perhaps people are fighting tooth and nail to keep this country and it's people from some serious hardships? You may think it's fear mongering but what if it's not? Many people think this is incredibly serious. If we stayed, nothing would be different. If we leave, things will be different. I truly hope this is for the best but there's a very real chance that it could be for the worse. To me that's a ridiculous gamble. Stay just fine or risk loosing my home, job etc? Just because you don't agree, don't belittle people who are desperately trying to avoid a potential catastrophe. This isn't a game. This will affect people's livelihoods.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 14:04

If we stayed, nothing would be different.

You see that is also a falsehood. It won't stay the same. It changes.

The EU is very different from what it was 10/15 years ago.

To say it will stay the same is wrong.

Minty82 · 14/02/2017 14:04

Well said Amymay

ReleaseTheBats · 14/02/2017 14:05

is NOT endorsed by anyone in Britain with half a brain cell

And here we go again....

All you folk who like throwing the insults around, does it ever occur to you that the next time there is an important decision to make, you will have so successfully alienated a massive chunk of the population that they probably won't listen to a word you say?

And possibly quite rightly as I struggle to take anyone seriously who simultaneously says "I know what is best for you and can see what is in your best interests even if you can't" and "I think you have half a brain cell". Doesn't really work, does it?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 14:05

don't belittle people

Tbf there has been belittling people on both 'sides'

KC225 · 14/02/2017 14:07

You seem to have a crystal ball OP.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 14:19

Agree with you amymay. It's simply another variation of 'Suck it up' 'You lost - get over it' 'Stop whining' and 'remoaning snowflake.

When has there ever been protest like this after a general election? Never. Because people know that it is their democratic right to be part of another election, and have their say in four or five years. The right to revisit, to rethink, to look at things again is all part of a representative democracy. We get to re-elect our MPs OR NOT according to how well they've done.

But nobody knows if this is irrevocable - and the lack of clarity in itself about everything is very disturbing. Nobody knows how this will end. Nobody knows how to go forward. The government is advertising for civil servants to help with their 'fairly undefined' plans at the moment. Nobody knew what Brexit meant. Nobody in government bothered with any kind of plan before June 24th, partly because they thought it wouldn't happen and partly because there was no need to, because it was advisory. And now May has come up with the hardest possible Brexit, threatens to leave the EU with no deal which would be a disaster for the economy, and somehow it's our democratic duty to roll over and accept it after a narrow win for Leave in an advisory referendum. It's a decision that has the biggest political and economic ramifications since the second world war, and we're meant to accept how careless, mendacious and sloppy the whole referendum was and not question anything?

Bollocks to that.

Louisianna16 · 14/02/2017 14:37

Not much is mentioned about the sorry state of the EU itself + it's future with or without UK. Anyone with eyes to see over the last few years could understand that there were/are huge economic + social problems within the Union, and many countries have very large + growing minorities of voters who would like to follow UK's example..

The Remain campaign just ignored these employment, financial + cultural inconveniences ultimately; voting Remain was presented as voting for a benign status quo and - to be honest - that assumption was encouraged, and was the underlying dishonest manipulation of it's campaign.

They had to go on the attack and focus on negative anti Brexit campaigning, crudely trying to strike fear more than positive, specific examples of future proposals policies for a bright future in EU type stuff, because they simply couldn't sufficiently support their fairly vague assertions regarding the future.

Their M.O seemed (and still seems )to be attack being the best form of defence. Thing is, it's not working, and facts such as youth unemployment, financial instability, debt, immigration and uncertainties smouldering and sparking away in many EU countries (not just the UK) can't be ignored forever, no matter how many marches are organised . We are right to get out now, to my mind - it will get much worse.

winkywinkola · 14/02/2017 15:11

Louisiana could you be more specific about the malaise affecting the EU?

winkywinkola · 14/02/2017 15:15

"Throwing toys out of the pram"

That is all Leavers ever say. Dummies. Prams.

It does suggest limited vocabulary.

SandyBeach80 · 14/02/2017 15:28

Britain is a very different country to the one it was when we joined the UK, no coal, no steel, very few car factories. We make very little, we've become service providers. What have we got to trade with?
Churchill must be turning in his grave. He has been voted the most influential person in modern history. Now his dreams of us being united with our closest neighbours in peace will be shattered. Btw my teenaged daughter was unable to vote as there was a mix up issuing her NINO.

Louisianna16 · 14/02/2017 15:58

Winky Sorry, bit of a rush as on tea break, Grin ,but most important problem in urgent need of reforming/abandoning is the Euro. Both it's execution + it's intentions have proved appallingly problematic (which really should have been foreseen, + it's institutions should have had far more built in flexibility to deal with smaller countries economies)).

An attempt at political union via financial union , of such completely disparate countries - economically, historically + culturally - was always going to be a gamble to put it mildly, though. If we had voted Remain there is no question that come the next few years the UK would have been forced to join the Euro, too.

It's inception has led to massive unemployment +stagnating GDP- the best decision Labour ever made was to stay out of it. In particular, Germany's refusal to admit defeat + prop up Euro by whatever means, means that growth in the EU on average is predicted to be low/stagnating - not just for years, but for decades to come.

Unemployment (particularly youth unemployment ) is, + is projected to remain sky high in the constantly low GDP EU economies, so the idea that the EU will guarantee job security in particular, as Cameron attempted to argue is, quite frankly, crazy.

Amymay1984 · 14/02/2017 15:58

"Thing is, it's not working, and facts such as youth unemployment, financial instability, debt, immigration and uncertainties smouldering and sparking away in many EU countries"

I'm genuinely intrigued by your comment as it was refreshingly respectful and put across valid concerns. Would you mind elaborating as to why the above is the EU's fault as opposed to our own governments? I get the immigration part, although have to disagree as it has been well documented that immigration is helping our economy, but I would be interested to hear about the others.