...to ask you to support this event?

[Niamer]

www.uniteforeurope.org

• we are about to spend £120 billion extricating ourselves from the EU. That money is desperately needed in health and social care sectors.
• many Leave campaign promises, voted for in good faith are untrue
• millions of people directly affected by Brexit were not allowed a vote.

-the referendum was advisory. To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.

• Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.
• we are turning our back on our friends and allies of 40 years
• EU citizens in the UK are uncertain of their rights and in many cases feel unwelcome.

I don't like particularly enjoy going to London, I hate crowds, but I HAVE to be at this march. Please consider attending and sharing this event. We are all victims of a fraudulent campaign and are facing a Tory hard destructive unopposed Brexit. I will NOT let this happen to my children without a fight.

Thanks for all the replies so far, both in support of and against my suggestion of attending the march. To the suggestion that I post this in the EU referendum thread - I deliberately didn't, as it is good to get out of the echo chambers occasionally.

It is possible article 50 will have been triggered by March 25, but if nothing else I will be there to say this ill-gained, xenophobic Tory Brexit is not in my name.

Whatever people's view and the outcome, I hope we continue to live in a country where freedom of speech is encouraged and not threatened.

I voted leave and I am neither a Tory supporter nor xenophobic.

I believe what the country needs most at this stage is a halt to the divisive tone many are taking to those they disagree with.

We are leaving the EU. Fwiw, I believe if we could turn the clocks back, there might have been more scope for more negotiation about the form of Brexit if the initial response from the more militant remainers hadn't been quite so clearly to try to stop the whole thing (calls for a second referendum etc etc).

But there you are, we can't go back but I do think people need to start putting aside the divisive language - it's not helping anyone.

We are leaving the EU. Fwiw, I believe if we could turn the clocks back, there might have been more scope for more negotiation about the form of Brexit if the initial response from the more militant remainers hadn't been quite so clearly to try to stop the whole thing (calls for a second referendum etc etc)

I agree - we are set to get a Theresa May style anti-immigration Brexit, when there is no evidence that this is what "the people" were all voting for.

If Brexit does not deliver the hopes of all those who voted for it, I think the very last group of people who needs to be blamed are remainers.

There was resistance to the Nazi movement. Had all those resisters got on board and stopped complaining, would it have been it a successful period in history?

You mention a few hundred people who would have made no impact on the outcome at all. Nice try but reeks of desperation

Desparation? To point out that no matter what anyone ever says, the one thing they cannot say is that everyone who was entitled to vote was able to?

It doesn't matter how often you say "well it wouldn't have affected the result" or " they would all have voted to leave" etc etc etc...

the one thing you CANNOT say ever, is that everyone had a chance to vote.

(and they few hundred I mention were the ones standing where I was standing, who I saw with my own eyes, not the total, which would have been in the many tens of thousands, at least, and actually, yes it was on the news)

and the idea that Europe is a racist continent because it is mostly white is stark staring bonkers.

There was resistance to the Nazi movement. Had all those resisters got on board and stopped complaining, would it have been it a successful period in history?

I don't accept your analogy. We had a referendum which was agreed and run according to our democratic and legal processes. This is not akin to a "Nazi movement".

how many deaths did the nazi movement cause? How many deaths will the break up of the eu cause? It may be more similar than you think

Or it may not.

The Nazis were democratically elected too. I am not suggesting Leavers are Nazis, but I am saying that a)you cannot expect people to get on board with something which goes against everything they believe in. b) even if we did, there is no guarantee it would be a success.

Boris Johnson criticised the "whingearama" at the time of Trump's election. Sometimes a Whingearama is exactly what's needed.

I admit I was never going to be a Brexit fan, but neither am I am natural activist or antagonist. The fact the victory was ill-gained (the director of Leave campaign admitted the NHS lie won it), with millions of people affected denied a vote, with no threshold set makes it impossible to swallow. If the result had been the result of a fair campaign and a properly executed referendum, I would have resigned myself to the democratic decision of the British people.

I'm marching, OP. This isn't 'the will of the people' and that needs to be demonstrated.

Or it may not. uite. He don't know, and we will never know, because the after shocks are going to last centuries, but it is impossible at this stage to estimate the cost of the the set backs for environmental protection, and medical research.

No, we don't know, and similarly we don't know what the long term repercussions of staying in the EU would be.

User have you watched the BBC documentary I linked to upthread? You might find it interesting on the long term future of the EU.

Also, perhaps you'd like to get a proper username, it does make discussion easier

The march is racist and white because it is aiming to retain a white European trading and movement state with significant barriers to entry to non-white people outside the EU

Can you explain why you think the whole of Europe is white, and why the rest of the world is non-White?

Hint if you get stuck...it isn't,and it isn't.

What Narky said.

Niamer

If you are of the opinion that we were tricked into the referendum result, these poll results from September 2015 to before the referendum may be of interest to you. The majority of the population were not positive about EU membership before the campaigns started.

I would be angry if I thought Brexit was not really what the majority wanted, but that is not really the case, as the approval ratings for TM and her Brexit stance show.

Poll data from dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/

People shouldn't put up and shut up if there is something they disagree with strongly. It's fine if you support Brexit but it doesn't give your the right to stamp down others objections. If you don't want to march then don't but i personally will not go quietly into Article 50 nor should I have to.

I agree people shouldn't put up and shut up, and I've read back through the thread and can't find who is doing this or "stamping down other's objections".

I would be interested to know if there are limits to what democratic decisions you would try to get overturned though (if you could answer without reference to Hitler or the Nazis it would be nice, as I think we can safely assume we would all do what we could to stop a Nazi regime).

Thanks for the link Wrongtrouser; I am interested to look at that more closely.

I do not see resisting Brexit is trying to overturn a democratic decision, as I do not believe the referendum was won democratically. How can it be right that an EU citizen who has lived and worked here 50 years does not get a say when their Australian equivalent does? I have no problem with the Austarlian having a say btw, but cannot accept the exclusion of 3 million EU citizens from the electorate.

I think we can safely assume we would all do what we could to stop a Nazi regime
Well let's hope history has taught us some lessons, but there is unbelievable political apathy in the UK. I fear we may just sleepwalk into a very damaging hard Brexit and find ourselves in a very angry country.

I do not see resisting Brexit is trying to overturn a democratic decision, as I do not believe the referendum was won democratically

I disagree with this. I think we take our democracy for granted, and I don't think we should. It can be easily damaged or destroyed. You can't pick and choose which bits of our democracy you will give credibility to and which bits not. You can campaign to change aspects (eg whether EU nationals get to vote in referendums) but you can't try to undermine democratic decisions because you disagree with certain rules of our democracy.

There will be a million different views on all the various aspects of our democratic system. But they were agreed by our democratic system. So if you don't accept them, you are not respecting our democracy.

If you don't want the decision taken by our democratic system (warts and all), how do you want it taken? Who shouts loudest? Who has most financial and other power?

Here we go again.....

And those are not rhetorical questions. I would genuinely like to know, if you are prepared to undermine a decision taken by our democratic process, what you would put in its place.

If the result had been the result of a fair campaign and a properly executed referendum, I would have resigned myself to the democratic decision of the British people.

Oh come off it. The remain campaign wasn't exactly a beacon of truth either, yet if remain had one I very much doubt you would be saying this.

If it's that awful here, they could just go home?

This is a very simplistic view of life!
First of all, the UK has been a great place to live up until last year when things turned more hostile.
Secondly, if I "just go home" I would take my British children with me and they will grow up without their British dad. Tntis would not be fair on them or their dad.
Most people can't "just go home"!