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Niamer · 11/02/2017 23:26

www.uniteforeurope.org

  • we are about to spend £120 billion extricating ourselves from the EU. That money is desperately needed in health and social care sectors.
  • many Leave campaign promises, voted for in good faith are untrue
  • millions of people directly affected by Brexit were not allowed a vote.
-the referendum was advisory. To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.
  • Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.
  • we are turning our back on our friends and allies of 40 years
  • EU citizens in the UK are uncertain of their rights and in many cases feel unwelcome.

I don't like particularly enjoy going to London, I hate crowds, but I HAVE to be at this march. Please consider attending and sharing this event. We are all victims of a fraudulent campaign and are facing a Tory hard destructive unopposed Brexit. I will NOT let this happen to my children without a fight.

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NarkyMcDinkyChops · 14/02/2017 13:07

Absolutely not thankyou our grandparents fought for us not to be ruled by Europe and I certainly do not wish to be part of it now!

This is such bullshit. For a start many of our grandparents didn't fight for anything at all, and the ones that did fought against a tide of invading nazis, not breifcase weidling belgian beurocrats.

In fact the very opposite, a united Europe was the goal, in order to preserve peace for all countries.

so if you want to go down that road, our grandparents fought for the EU. If isolationism and nimbyism was what they wanted, they wouldn't have ran into the war!

twofingerstoEverything · 14/02/2017 13:07

Thanks for posting, OP.
Ignore the haters.
There will be a lot of us there to show TM that 65 million people are not behind a hard Brexit.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 13:08

The same Mark Carney that has eaten a bit of humble pie over Brexit?

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:09

The fact that it was advisory rather than binding indicates it. Advisory means they don't feel bound to act upon it; they can establish from the referendum how the public feel (in this case the answer is very divided) and then work from this to make the decision they feel is best. Obviously you'd need to be able to trust that they are operating in the national interest, but that's what we should be able to expect from the MPs.

I agree that this wasn't implied to the public - but it should have been. It's yet another of the many, many ways in which we were misled. David Cameron had absolutely no right to say that the outcome would be binding, when he knew bloody well that that was not what had been legislated for.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 13:10

they wouldn't have ran into the war!

Many didn't run into anything. They were conscripted.

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 14/02/2017 13:11

Many didn't run into anything. They were conscripted

Even less of a reason to use it as evidence they were against anything then.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:12

Well sally, my grandfather wanted peace also but was conscripted like thousands of others, do you honestly think every man really wanted to fight and leave their families to cope? I don't think so.

Where did I say anything about people wanting to fight and leaving their families to cope?

winkywinkola · 14/02/2017 13:15

I think many people voted Leave to stick one in at those they thought were leaving them behind, the 'elite' etc.

I don't think the Leave vote was to get Britain into the best economic and world standing position.

And Brexit certainly won't benefit the U.K. whatever Theresa May thinks.

winkywinkola · 14/02/2017 13:16

Sally, did you watch all those MPs and their speeches when voting the article through?

So many did it with regret and heavy conscience, believing it was not the best thing for the UK.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:18

Yes I did! It made me very cross, because they are paid to act in accordance with their conscience not against it. That's what we elect them to do - that's what representative democracy depends on.

fruitbat2008 · 14/02/2017 13:19

They fought not to be controlled by a superstate! And yes Im bloody glad I voted out when are you idiots going to get it in your heads WE ARE OUT and STAYING OUT you are all wasting your time and police resources!

Dawnest · 14/02/2017 13:19

To the OP,
I will be in London.
I am an 'expat' and Brexit has left my future plans for my non-British family in utter disarray. We now won't be able to move back to the UK in all likelihood. As to my status and rights in my host country after Brexit - who knows? I also feel absolutely dreadful for the 3 million EU nationals in the UK who are currently in limbo, their futures uncertain too. Made to feel unwelcome in the country they have called home in some cases for decades.
We are seen as bargaining chips by the government, not people with lives, families and hopes.
Many UK expats were denied a vote in the referendum. How democratic is that?
May has said that 65 million people are behind her. That is not true. The majority of the country did not vote to leave. I do not believe that the majority of the country support her in her frenzied push towards a hard Brexit at all costs. There is so much at stake. So much we will lose, and for what?
I have never been particularly interested in politics, but for the first time I have written to MPs about this. And I will be getting on a flight to London next month, to tell the government loud and clear that no, I am NOT behind you!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 13:24

because they are paid to act in accordance with their conscience not against it.

Aren't they also paid to represent their constituents?

I actually respect MPs like Anna Soubry who was a staunch Remainer, but her constituency voted Leave so she voted that way.

The likes of Diane Abbott however who was 'ill' so didn't vote and seeemed want to avoid confrontation and not lose her job not so much. I would have had respect for her if she had defied the whip and voted against it, like her constituency.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:27

They fought not to be controlled by a superstate!

Mine didn't, as I say.

Protest and opposition are vital parts of democracy.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:30

Aren't they also paid to represent their constituents?

In their code of conduct it states that above their duties to their party and to their constituents, they must act in what they believe to be the best interests of the nation.

Completely agree with you about Diane Abbott.

fruitbat2008 · 14/02/2017 13:32

Democracy is accepting an outcome not protesting until you get your own way!

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 14/02/2017 13:35

They fought not to be controlled by a superstate!

They fought not against the THIRD REICH, not the EU. Can't you understand the difference?

And you wonder why people think you must have been a bit thick to vote the way you did!

Oneiroi · 14/02/2017 13:36

SallyMcgally exactly. This is the crucial point. I find it astounding how few people seem to understand how a representative democracy functions or the role of MPs including, apparently, most MPs!

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 14/02/2017 13:37

Democracy is accepting an outcome not protesting until you get your own way!

You need a new dictionary, because that is not any kind of definition of democracy.

SallyMcgally · 14/02/2017 13:37

Agree also that Mark Carney has said that the economy at present is doing better than he thought it might, but the B of E is still having to help us along with keeping interest rates low and with quantitative easing, and that is not the sign of a healthy economy. The doom and gloom that was predicted is being staved off by pretty strong actions, and things are still getting more and more expensive.

twofingerstoEverything · 14/02/2017 13:38

They fought not to be controlled by a superstate! And yes Im bloody glad I voted out when are you idiots going to get it in your heads WE ARE OUT and STAYING OUT you are all wasting your time and police resources!

Nice bit of reasoned argument there. Nothing like throwing around insults to garner support for your cause.

fruitbat2008 · 14/02/2017 13:42

It was called the world war for a reason as for being thick if I was I would have voted to remain your an uneducated self loathing millennial who won't accept the vote we are out stop wasting time with your pointless protest and accept the bloody decision!

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 14/02/2017 13:44

What reason was that then? You don't seem to know.

your an uneducated self loathing millennial

Oh bless. The irony.

fruitbat2008 · 14/02/2017 13:45

Twofingers I don't need to garner support as I don't have a cause as the outcome was I voted for end of story!

zippey · 14/02/2017 13:46

There are those who believe that leaving the EU will be good for the UK. They are wrong.

I am with you in spirit, in Scotland here. Hopefully Nicola Sturgeon can get a second referendum organised and we can break away from England and remain part of the EU.