...to ask you to support this event?

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• we are about to spend £120 billion extricating ourselves from the EU. That money is desperately needed in health and social care sectors.
• many Leave campaign promises, voted for in good faith are untrue
• millions of people directly affected by Brexit were not allowed a vote.

-the referendum was advisory. To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.

• Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.
• we are turning our back on our friends and allies of 40 years
• EU citizens in the UK are uncertain of their rights and in many cases feel unwelcome.

I don't like particularly enjoy going to London, I hate crowds, but I HAVE to be at this march. Please consider attending and sharing this event. We are all victims of a fraudulent campaign and are facing a Tory hard destructive unopposed Brexit. I will NOT let this happen to my children without a fight.

Then you should be more careful about assuming, shouldn't you? It didn't say that.

So Narky you caught the part about my having family all over the world and having a south african husband in my earlier post, and I'm still a racist nazi according to you and you are calling Me stupid? Lol!!

I don't think we should feed the troll guys.

Did I say YOU were a racist whatever?

Why are people trying to attach insults to themselves so readily? Very odd. You call the xenophobic voters xenophobic, and the other voters assume you are talking about them. Why is that?

No Strawberry, Narky is phrasing her comments very carefully so that they are actually only refer to leave voters who are stupid, xenophobic nazis. Don't fall into the trap now

So now we've cleared that little ambiguity up, I agree, best ignore.

Why are people trying to attach insults to themselves so readily? Very odd. You call the xenophobic voters xenophobic, and the other voters assume you are talking about them. Why is that?

Quod erat demonstrandum

si dicas demonstratum puto sciretis.....

Lots of squabbling here. Would just like to tell the OP that I'm going on the march and so are lots of people I know.

I think Brexit will be a disaster, especially for young people.

The remain campaign wasn't exactly a beacon of truth either, yet if remain had one I very much doubt you would be saying this.

Just coming back to this. If Remain had won by 52% and it'd been announced that we were now going to join the Euro, there'd be outrage....

The whole thing was ridiculous. It's far too complex an issue to be decided by a yes/no question. Like "do you want to move house?". Depends where to. If I'll get £10 million for my house? Yes. If I'll get £10,000? No way.

People answered yes/no for different reasons. The people voting to Leave because they see the EU as a fundamentally racist trading block are a wholly different group from the anti immigration lobby. Put crassly, Jeremy Corbyn has been anti EU because he sees it as a capitalist structure; Nigel Farage thinks it's a socialist bureaucracy.

It just isn't a subject suitable for a yes/no answer....

Release I certainly didn't say that everybody who voted to leave is stupid. Or that people with degrees are always more intelligent. Pointing out correlations doesn't imply that they are universally applicable, as the statistical analysis in the article I linked to demonstrates quite clearly. That said, if you do understand statistical relationships you will be perfectly aware that there is a very strong correlation between intelligence and academic achievement, and the article demonstrates that there was also a strong correlation between academic achievement and the way people voted in the referendum, in a way that hasn't been seen in general elections. These are facts. How we analyse the causal relationships is another matter, but don't try to claim I have made statements I have not made simply because you don't like the data I linked to.

Sorry to carry on squabbling, but One I didn't say I don't like the data you linked to. It's lovely data, I always like a good demographic referendum poll.

I thought you were posting it to back up the now clarified as not really made assertion upthread that leave voters are stupid.

Apologies if I misunderstood your meaning.

I find TMs pursuit of a harder than hard Brexit very worrying.

Nobody gave her a mandate to do this. Nobody.

And the poster upthread who said that of course it is common sense to leave the single market and the customs union is barking mad.

What an idiot thing to do, give a government carte blanche to pursue an agenda that people did not vote for.

And the fact that the government did not make any amendments to the bill to protect EU citizens living in the U.K. is pretty dark too.

I don't know if a march will help. This government will ignore anyone and everyone unless it is a hard Brexit. So do it.

But I personally cannot bring myself to ever act unified with Brexit because I can see zero benefits to it. Zero.

All this posturing about making Britain great again and how they need us more than we need them is risible.

Thanks for the clarification Release and apologies for my also unfounded assertion that you had an objection to the data itself. I am incredibly sad about what has happened in the UK and that the debate has become little more than a shouting match. The point I was trying to make it that I think it's important for us to look at the underlying data and the significant statistical trends it shows so that hopefully a sensible way forward can be found, because in my opinion the direction that the Government is taking will be hugely damaging and doesn't seem to have majority support, if the ICM survey released last week is accurate.

I'll be there. There seems to be an impression throughout the country that the population as a whole has tacitly accepted hard Brexit. Those opposed to this need to make their voices heard.

Now is the moment where protest can help to shape the form negotiations take. Anyone in favour of a hard Brexit who doesn't feel they're getting what they want is equally free to protest.

Those who have an issue with the March are perfectly free not to go, but the more I hear the very worrying sentiment that protest is undemocratic, the more determined I am to go!

My family will be there. Brexit means Trump - we must not allow our country to become beholden to the states. There are some at best naive and at worst xenophobic comments on here. Appalling. Well done to the Op sadly most would rather bury their heads in the sand.

I would also point out that there is a difference between intelligence and ignorance. There is a lot of ignorance about the EU, as demonstrated by the woman on QT and her lack of understanding about bananas.

and at worst xenophobic comments on here

Please point to any xenophobic comments.

I would also point out that there is a difference between intelligence and ignorance

Well considering some Remainers think it is the uneducated that voted leave, I assume you are talking about remainers as supposedly they are 'more intellegent'

Piglet ignorance can apply to people who voted either way, but the fact remains that many people get their information through the media, the majority of which has been peddling anti-EU rhetoric for years, without the facts to back it up. A lot of people read that the EU bans bendy bananas in the newspaper and take it as fact.

I will be marching.

The government has no mandate for a hard Brexit. Indeed, my view is that it has no mandate for Brexit at all, since they agreed only to an advisory referendum to gauge public opinion. This matters greatly, because had it been a binding majority then they would have needed safeguards such as a supermajority, and the outcome now would be very different. We live in a representative democracy - our will is expressed by electing representatives we trust to act in the national interest, rather than as our mouthpieces, and in this I feel they failed. An important element of a representative democracy is also that you have the opportunity to revisit your vote every few years. You're not tied to a one-off decision. MP after MP lamented that they thought Brexit would be bad for the UK and voted it through anyway. They are all paid £75000+ to do a lot better than that, and they are supposed to know far, far more about the implications than any of the public are. Most of us are not particularly well-informed, there was a cess-pit of misinformation - however well one might have done research it was impossible to have a decent idea of how things might turn out, because no information was given about what Brexit would mean. It then transpired that this was because nobody in government had bothered their arse with coming up with any kind of plan.

I cannot at all see why democracy isn't served with a second referendum on the terms of exit, with a clearer sense of what Brexit will actuallyu mean, especially as we don't know whether anything is irrevocable or not. If you bought a house, and thought that you were sure that all the doom-mongering and nay-saying was over the top, you would still presumably want to do surveys and have an option of not going ahead if the survey looked dreadful?

If enough resistance is shown to the juggernaut of hard Brexit on March 25th, the government may at least have to take account of the fact that people will not just lie down and let them do whatever they please, while trying to avoid being accountable at all. Marches can achieve a very great deal, as Romania has just proved to us.

Absolutely not thankyou our grandparents fought for us not to be ruled by Europe and I certainly do not wish to be part of it now!

And protest will always be allowed in our democracy.

People voted in the Tories and yet marched against the Poll Tax.

Also - why does everyone forget that the Bank of England had to open the £250 billion war chest on June 24th as an emergency measure to prop up the economy? It's disingenuous to claim that there were lies about how badly the economy would do after a Leave win in the referendum, and just to ignore that the Bank of England had to do this. You don't have to take emergency measures if everything is going to sail along merrily - Mark Carney did this to stop us sinking. As it is, look at the costs of fuel and food going up.

Absolutely not thankyou our grandparents fought for us not to be ruled by Europe and I certainly do not wish to be part of it now!

My grandparents didn't. My grandparents wanted desperately for their to be enduring peace in Europe - the sort of peace that has been achieved between the EU countries for decades now (which is why the EU won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the sort of peace that Churchill envisaged when he spoke of the hope that Europe would unite.

Fine if you don't want any part of it now, but don't speak on behalf of all those who fought as if you know what they were each individually fighting for. You don't.

Indeed, my view is that it has no mandate for Brexit at all, since they agreed only to an advisory referendum to gauge public opinion

I believe that to be untrue. No-one said, and it doesn't say in the legislation for the referendum, that it was "to gauge public opinion".

I wouldn't disagree that the legislation was sloppy, but nowhere did it imply this was an opinion gathering exercise.

Well sally, my grandfather wanted peace also but was conscripted like thousands of others, do you honestly think every man really wanted to fight and leave their families to cope? I don't think so. I had the freedom to vote and took it thats what a democracy is!