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...to ask you to support this event?

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Niamer · 11/02/2017 23:26

www.uniteforeurope.org

  • we are about to spend £120 billion extricating ourselves from the EU. That money is desperately needed in health and social care sectors.
  • many Leave campaign promises, voted for in good faith are untrue
  • millions of people directly affected by Brexit were not allowed a vote.
-the referendum was advisory. To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.
  • Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.
  • we are turning our back on our friends and allies of 40 years
  • EU citizens in the UK are uncertain of their rights and in many cases feel unwelcome.

I don't like particularly enjoy going to London, I hate crowds, but I HAVE to be at this march. Please consider attending and sharing this event. We are all victims of a fraudulent campaign and are facing a Tory hard destructive unopposed Brexit. I will NOT let this happen to my children without a fight.

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birdsdestiny · 12/02/2017 13:05

Just go home. There is really nothing left to say after that is there.

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 12/02/2017 13:06

If it's that awful here, they could just go home?

They thought they were "home" nice of you to reinforce that they weren't though. Hmm

caroldecker · 12/02/2017 13:08

The EU is inherently racist, and prevents us (and others) trading freely with other parts of the world. A Chatham hose survey had 55% of EU citizens wanting a ban on Muslims into the EU, with only 20% disagreeing (the rest don't know). The UK was the lowest level of agreement and highest disagreement.
Leavers want to trade with the EU and have good relationships, but not be tied into a hide-bound racist sclerotic grouping.
OP, you obviously think that accepting the racism in the EU is worth it for your own imagined economic benefit.

DJBaggySmalls · 12/02/2017 13:10

birdsdestiny
Just go home. There is really nothing left to say after that is there.

caroldecker
The EU is inherently racist

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 12/02/2017 13:11

The EU is inherently racist

You can say it all you like, that doesn;t make it true, and you haven't offered any proof at all.

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 12/02/2017 13:12

The EU is no more racist than the UK is, and may well be much less. We've discovered lately that the UK is much more racist than we thought it was.
So you want to leave the EU so your racist country can trade with other non-EU racist countries?*

*I don't actually believe this, but it makes easily as much sense as the argument of the quoted poster!

DontTouchTheMoustache · 12/02/2017 13:13

I voted remain and I am still very upset that we are leaving but honestly it's time to just accept it. A march will not change it now.

NarkyMcDinkyChops · 12/02/2017 13:14

Why is it time to just accept it? Why should we ever just accept it? Bad things don't become less bad because a few months have passed.
You can't be that upset if you are just going to get over it because time.

user1484226561 · 12/02/2017 13:15

If it's that awful here, they could just go home? good idea! but of course the country wouldn't function, but hey, never mind about that tiny detail.

user1486735472 · 12/02/2017 13:15

birdsdestiny
Just go home. There is really nothing left to say after that is there.

Careful what you wish for.

user1484226561 · 12/02/2017 13:16

Can I just point out that calling a whole group of people an insulting name because of their ethnic origin, is racist.

Sunnysky2016 · 12/02/2017 13:53

I was a straight up remainer.
However- this is democracy- the people voted leave, so be it. So why the matches etc? If they decided to have another referendum, then that goes against democracy and living in a democratic society.

KathArtic · 12/02/2017 14:11

Everyone with the right to vote in the UK was allowed to vote

Not true: EU citizens who are allowed to vote in local & euro elections, pay tax & support the UK economy were denied a vote in the referendum.

Wrong. You can’t vote in UK elections or the Referendum if you’re an EU citizen living here. The Electoral Commission

Paying tax & supporting the UK economy does not entitle you to vote.

user1486735472 · 12/02/2017 14:22

KathArtic, the PP said EU citizens can vote in local and euro elections, which is correct.

gamerwidow · 12/02/2017 14:33

wrongtrousers when people say it was a democratic process, we should all pull together etc etc you are in affect saying put up and shut up. Also please note I haven't mentioned nazis. I fundamentally believe with all my heart that leaving the EU in the way this current government is planning will damage this country for generations. For this reason I will not stop fighting. I might have prepared to accept leaving the EU if we stayed in common market and assured the rights of EU citizens living here but that is not on the cards.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 12/02/2017 14:34

Utter bollocks re Scotland points above, a quick look at official government statistics shows that Scottish taxpayers contribute more per capita

That sounds like utter bollocks. There is a tiny proportion of higher rate tax payers in Scotland. Scotland as an EU region does far better out of the EU than the UK as a whole. An independent Scotland with falling and diminishing oil is a non starter.

Brexit is likely to result in the permanent break-up of the UK.

I doubt it. I am 100% opposed to independence (voted no in both devolution referenda as well )and was firmly yes to remain.

The Nats' rantings look no more coherent now than they did during the indy ref. In fact less so.The EU without the UK is a far different prospect than with the UK. If an independent Scotland were applied to join it would be placed in the queue behind all the other applicants and be required to join the Euro. Scotland's voice would count for very little without Westminster if it were allowed in.

That's assuming of course Spain, Italy, Belgium and France don't veto the application to thwart any ideas from their own separatists.

In short coming out of the EU has firmed up my resolve(if that were possible) that independence should be avoided.

MongerTruffle · 12/02/2017 14:38

Carry on with your racist white march to support a failing sclerotic economy with my blessing.

What is racist or white about this?

To have been binding, a supermajority would have been needed to make such a huge constitutional change.

No, it wouldn't have been legally binding even if a 2/3 majority had been reached.

Doobigetta · 12/02/2017 14:39

when people say it was a democratic process, we should all pull together etc etc you are in effect saying put up and shut up.

Exactly. Every time someone says "we need to pull together and mend these damaging divisions" what they mean is, "stop complaining that your views are being discounted".

MongerTruffle · 12/02/2017 14:39

Wrong. You can’t vote in UK elections or the Referendum if you’re an EU citizen living here

The PP was referring to local (council) and European Parliament elections.

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Niamer · 12/02/2017 15:02

The remain campaign wasn't exactly a beacon of truth either
I agree. People know how life is as members of the EU. to vote Leave was a vote for the unknown.

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Niamer · 12/02/2017 15:11

I would genuinely like to know, if you are prepared to undermine a decision taken by our democratic process, what you would put in its place.
I would like to see either a parliamentary vote on the final deal at the end of negotiations or a second referendum on the final deal. The decision we are taken was too complicated to be put to an electorate with a simple yay or nay. We need to know exactly what we are getting. Some Leave voters envisaged a Norway-style deal where we remained members of the single market. In a democracy an unelected PM should not be able to take an ill-gotten result and just run with it to satisfy her own far-right agenda. If you agree with her that Brexit is the will of the people, the results of a second referendum will show that, there would be nothing for Leave voters to fear and Remainers would have to be quiet (for a bit ) Wink

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DontTouchTheMoustache · 12/02/2017 15:25

narky if I honestly thought a march would change things I would go. But it won't, just like petitions didn't. I always vote labour so the last 2 elections have also been very upsetting but I had to accept.that the Tories won because that is how democracy works. I'm a single parent who will soon be working full time so I really don't have the time to go to a march that won't make any difference anyway. You can carry on if you like.

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Niamer · 12/02/2017 15:43

Donttouch I am not for a minute expecting Theresa May to see the crowds and call the whole thing off. I am so unhappy with so many aspects of the referendum - campaign, result and follow-up, I need to be there. I also see it as a celebration of what the EU gives us - it gets plenty of negative publicity and I want to say I value the union.

What is happening to the UK cannot be compared to general elections. We get another shot at those every four years and Labour voters still have representation (or are supposed to at least). This is something far bigger, the repercussions of which will be felt for decades.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/02/2017 15:50

There was resistance to the Nazi movement. Had all those resisters got on board and stopped complaining, would it have been it a successful period in history?

Sorry but all credibility is lost if you are comparing the referendum to the Nazis

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Niamer · 12/02/2017 15:53

Sorry but all credibility is lost if you are comparing the referendum to the Nazis
I am not. I am pointing out that insisting everyone gets on board with something does not automatically make it the right decision for a country.

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