Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Still furious about Christmas

272 replies

Ionlywantedapony · 11/02/2017 21:23

My mother lives abroad. We hardly see her.
His mother lives 20 minutes away. We see her ALL THE TIME.
My mother is not good at planning.
His mother plans years in advance.
My mother (and sister) flew over to visit us at the last minute at Christmas.
We spent the day at his mothers house and left my mum and sister alone in ours, because "that's what had been planned all along".
AIBU. To still be mad?

OP posts:
YouTheCat · 13/02/2017 17:46

I don't think your dh is helping the situation but it must be very frustrating to see the person you love being constantly disappointed by their own mother. And also the fact that you aren't willing to accept that it's your mother who is the major problem here. I'd imagine he wants to see you stand up to your mother and pull her up on her behaviour, which was beyond rude.

If I'd planned a large post-Christmas meal, made all the preparations and then bought the food etc, I'd be highly unamused to find someone trying to scupper those plans at the last minute.

Stop seeking your mother's approval because she's not seeking yours.

Ionlywantedapony · 13/02/2017 17:55

You obviously can keep up with the "drip feeding", otherwise why bother replying.
This thread is going round in circles now and the drip feeding accusations are really pissing me off. Some of you are reading through for juicy bits of info and then gleefully pointing out forum faux pas whilst gloating from under your "I'm an experienced mumsnetter" halos. Congratulations on winning at the Internet. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏆
On the plus side. I'm no longer angry about Christmas. In fact, I'm bored of thinking about it. So seriously, thanks. You've all been a great help.
❤️

OP posts:
Ionlywantedapony · 13/02/2017 17:59

Naice and Youthecat, thanks. I AM aware that my mum is a problem. I've said that about four times.

OP posts:
YouTheCat · 13/02/2017 17:59

If you think people are 'gloating' then why don't you just hide the thread and move on. You clearly don't actually want any advice.

YouTheCat · 13/02/2017 18:02

Seriously, you can't go asking for advice and then start accusing people of stuff. I've read the whole thread. People have, mainly, been quite reasonable compared to other threads I've read.

It must be very difficult to deal with. I still think you should hide the thread now though and have a think about how you move forward.

Ionlywantedapony · 13/02/2017 18:14

Youthecat that wasn't aimed at you. I've had some great advice which has been welcomed I can assure you. Even the ones who weren't 'on my side'. I have posted several messages of thanks. However some of the replies have not been advice. I'm not sure what the point of some of them was,. As you rightly suggest, I think I will now hide the post as it is going round in circles.

OP posts:
FrancisCrawford · 13/02/2017 18:14

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

wettunwindee · 13/02/2017 18:22

Am I reading a different thread to some others?

You Mum caused this problem

Presumably, you had confirmed with MiL that you would be going there and she had prepared food and was expecting you. It would have been rude to change plans because your inconsiderate mother turned up at the last minute.

Despite MiL inviting your family, DH understood that the two grandmothers are difficult together and as you said, your mother didn't want to go.

This is your mother's fault. Everyone else is blameless here.

BoneyBackJefferson · 13/02/2017 19:19

I was going to post that I wasn't sure what you are so upset with your DH about. But it appears to be that he would bend over backwards for your flaky as fuck mother.

(There may be other reasons but in the context of this thread.)

Hcmp1980 · 13/02/2017 22:56

I'd be fairly furious if I was your mum and sister - at you I'm afraid, I want to know why you went along with that terrible plan...

mathanxiety · 14/02/2017 05:04

Shock Sad

OP, having read all your comments and descriptions of your 'D'H, I really urge you to seek individual counselling so that you can understand that you have options here beyond continuing as before with a 'people pleaser' label that is impossible to escape.

Please don't dismiss counselling. You need to find the right sort. Maybe Women's Aid's Freedom Programme? It is not just for women who suffer physical abuse. Abuse takes many forms.

Wrt communication - "I'm an arsehole, I know."
This is the opposite of communication. He is saying 'Shutup Lonelywantedapony'.

Do you feel you have options here - any options? Do you feel any plea for improvement in the relationship would be heard, or do you feel he is perfectly happy with things the way they are?

Ionlywantedapony · 14/02/2017 11:55

No I don't feel I have any options whatsoever. Communication no longer goes any deeper than what is on the shopping list. We used to talk about hopes, dreams, fears, ambitions, the past, friends, family, everything. Then I began to realise it was really just me doing the sharing. I would walk away from interactions feeling confused and hurt by whatever responses I'd got out of him. For quite a few years now I've rarely bothered trying. I know he loves me. We (the kids and I) are his world. I'm looked after and never have to worry about whether there will be food on the table or fuel in the car. I've thought about leaving, because of the lack of connection. Anyway, in some ways we get on ok. But I can't do that to the children. I know how damaging it is. I just hope my lack of sparkle goes unnoticed.

OP posts:
Giraffes63 · 14/02/2017 20:20

Why is it your MiL fault your Mother rocks up on Christmas Eve without warning, had her plans changed and you were second choice. My Mil does this all the time, if she had an argument with her favourite child and is at a loose end. I always believe you should reverse the places and decide if it is acceptable.

How would YOU feel if you have your Son and Dil and family every year and plan all year for this event, however suddenly Dil cancels on Christmas Eve how do you feel. I can imagine you're so laid back you just say hey ho, next year will be OK.

I think your Mother is a selfish ***, what prevented her giving a weeks notice. Its not as if she bought her Plane tickets on Christmas Eve morning.

witsender · 14/02/2017 20:26

You sound really sad OP. You deserve to have some nicer people in your life than a DH with an acid tongue and a flakey, borderline neglectful mother. Sad

Slimmingsnake · 14/02/2017 20:54

Are you angry with yourself ? Because you didn't stand up for your mum,and went along with the people who shouted the loudest....well you can't change the past..you can't change what happened 5 minutes ago...let it go,and show yourself some kindness

mathanxiety · 15/02/2017 06:26

Lonely, a golden retriever would be loved the way you are loved - nothing to worry about because the master takes care of everything.

There is more than a lack of connection in your relationship. I think it goes beyond a lack, a negative, a passive failure. I think there is active shutting out of you and your opinions and your feelings. I think you are dealing with someone who will eventually leave you a hollow shell. He will do it every time he chooses to wound you by stonewalling and rub your face in how powerless you are to spend a day with your mother and sister when he behaves petulantly. He is actively choosing to humiliate you and show you who is more important to him when he spends time with his mother.

The times he's been round there fixing up her house while ours falls apart around me and my new baby and young children...
How does he show that you and the children are his life? What does that look like?
What would you like it to look like?

It strikes me that you keep on trying to maintain relationships with important people in your life who literally have no time for you at all.

mathanxiety · 15/02/2017 06:28

...takes care of everything.*

Except for all the time spent taking care of his mother.

He is systematically humiliating you, Lonely.

Naicehamshop · 15/02/2017 07:29

I think mathanxiety has hit the nail on the head there, op. You are struggling to accommodate and make time for your dh and your dm, and they are just steamrolling along doing exactly what they want. Your happiness comes fairly low down their lists. Sad

It's probably too late to change your dm, but I don't think you should continue like this in your marriage. Counselling - for you on your own - would probably help. Or better still leave the selfish, unsupportive, joy-sucker. Grin

Katy07 · 15/02/2017 10:24

There is more than a lack of connection in your relationship. I think it goes beyond a lack, a negative, a passive failure. I think there is active shutting out of you and your opinions and your feelings. I think you are dealing with someone who will eventually leave you a hollow shell. He will do it every time he chooses to wound you by stonewalling and rub your face in how powerless you are to spend a day with your mother and sister when he behaves petulantly. He is actively choosing to humiliate you and show you who is more important to him when he spends time with his mother.
Oh FFS! The OP could equally (or more so) be said to be stonewalling and rubbing his face in it when she prioritises her remarkably crap and thoughtless mother over him, her children and his family. No doubt if her mother was around & needed help he'd be there doing stuff for her too but she's not. Likewise he'd probably do stuff at home if the OP bothered asking instead of wafting around in a haze of woe is me. He made the effort to sort out a decent Boxing Day for HER mother and then the woman decided to change everything AND not include him or the kids. Did the OP tell her how thoughtless that was?! His mother bent over backwards trying to accommodate her mother at short notice but no, her mother wouldn't play nicely and had to throw her toys out of the pram and wreck it for the OP.
The OP needs to kick her mother into touch after telling her what a selfish bitch she is. Her mother might have a bit more respect for her. And then maybe she could focus on what she has that is good - her family & in-laws. People who are there being part of her life.
But she won't because people are posting her patting her on the head when they should be telling her to get a grip and stop letting her mother walk all over her. Hoik up your big girl pants and try acting like a wife & mother and not like a little girl seeking love. Because your mother isn't going to change, they don't. You have people who do love you but you'll be pushing them away in the vain hope of achieving the impossible - love from your mother.

mathanxiety · 16/02/2017 00:47

It is absolutely ghastly to bark at someone who has been 'institutionalised' by her own admission, over 14 years of marriage to an abusive jerk, to hoik up your big girl pants and try acting like a wife & mother and not like a little girl seeking love etc.

Do husbands need to be told that their homes have problems that need to be fixed?
Do husbands need to be asked by their wives to fix up the homes where their wives and babies and small children live?
Do they need to ask their husbands not spend so much time with the MIL while their wives juggle care of babies and small children at home alone, far from family, and isolated?

Did you read the parts where Lonely appreciated her MIL?
she offered two perfectly good solutions. My DH was a stubborn arse in refusing to change the plan.
...and...
MIL also very kindly offered to swap days so that we could spend Christmas Day with my family and then have Boxing Day with her. This was entirely husband's fault for being stubborn and refusing to alter his plans.

Did you read the parts about their relationship?

What you describe as the H who made the effort to sort out a decent Boxing Day for HER mother and then the woman decided to change everything AND not include him or the kids is a man only willing to give what he wants to give, on his terms, to the OP, and what she actually wants is immaterial to him. This is not generosity of spirit. This is him showing the OP who is boss in the home. Everyone else was perfectly happy for Lonely and her mother and sister to go out on Boxing Day together, but the DH would have none of it. It was his way or the highway. Husband had a meltdown - remember? This despite the fact that he had spent the whole previous day in his mother's house with wife and children while his SIL and MIL were stuck at home, all day Christmas Day. At the very least it was a display of rudeness worthy of a complete boor to do that to them. I suspect there was more to it, however.

Mum and sister came round at 6.30am because mum was desperate to see present opening. Which was nice. I'm glad she got to see the excitement. We left for MIL's at 11.30. I was hoping to be back home for tea with my mum, but we didn't leave MIL's until 9.30pm. Husband settled in for the duration.
So the children were up before 6.30 and were still celebrating Christmas at 9.30 pm? This is the act of a man determined to punish his mother in law for visiting and make her feel most unwelcome. I would hazard a guess that most fathers of young families would see the need to get home for children to unwind, bathe and get into bed at a normal time even on Christmas Day. Not this one apparently.

On communication:
We used to talk about hopes, dreams, fears, ambitions, the past, friends, family, everything. Then I began to realise it was really just me doing the sharing. I would walk away from interactions feeling confused and hurt by whatever responses I'd got out of him.
You can't clap with one hand.

DH is snappy and sarcastic. He snaps at his own mother all the time. It comes quite naturally to him take verbal jabs at people. Then he says "I'm an arsehole, I know." I trust him to him to always be there for us as a physical presence. Its a shame he's grown up with an acid tongue, because it spoils every opportunity for communication and pushes me further away from him emotionally. He knows that.
He is not prepared to do anything about the hurt he causes. This is because the relationship is giving him what he wants, i.e. the chance to hurt and humiliate.

Have you seen that poem by Pam Ayres about husband who is always right. It's him to a T. "Prefers to be right than be kind" is an excellent description. Actually "prefers to be morally superior" is even more accurate.
Lonely, I don't know if you have ever come across a book by Lundy Bancroft entitled, "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" - if you have not read it, I highly recommend it.

My mother stayed here for two weeks when my youngest baby (17mths) was born. He was overdue so her stay was longer than expected. He was nearly climbing the walls by the time she left. Not because she was difficult or mean to him, just because she's his MIL and was in our home.
Climbing the walls to such an extent that it is noticed by someone you should be supporting does not equal being a good husband. It is the behaviour of someone who is bent on creating such an unpleasant atmosphere when a relative of your victim is around that the victim thinks twice about extending another invitation. Or the visitor thinks twice about 'imposing' on someone very difficult. Assuming the mother isn't a lump of wood, I would hazard a guess that she sensed an atmosphere when she stayed on the occasion of the birth of the youngest baby.

He has told Lonely that he wished her mother was dead.
I suspect most people would sense it if they were around someone who hated them or resented them so much.

Naicehamshop · 16/02/2017 07:35

Good post mathanxiety.

hmcAsWas · 16/02/2017 09:16

Very well balanced and considered post Marthanxiety. Many posters seemed to have cherry picked bits from the thread which fit their own bizarre interpretation of events, and have discounted the reams of evidence that show just how controlling the op's dh is

New posts on this thread. Refresh page