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To think this parent is really grabby?

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 11:53

NC (is that you UCM) red rug/Titania/clay of cock.

My ds go to a local scout group. They run loads of events. Another parent used to go in and help out and she'd take photos for the newsletters and social media. She also used to e mail us digital photos.

She still helps out but in the newsletter there is a link and she is now selling all her photos.

AIBU to think she's only doing this to boost her business and I should tell her I want my children exempt from having their photos taken unless I can have copies (in lieu of modelling fees)

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 12:22

If I withdraw consent it will be harder for her then if other parents do the same she will have to go back to not charging! Grin

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Itmustbemyage · 10/02/2017 12:22

The scout group should have asked you to complete a photo permission form. It may have different level of permissions on it ie

  1. Distribution of photos to other parents Y/N
  2. Distribution of photos within the Scout movement Y/N
  3. Distribution of photos outwith the movement such as social media, promotional materials etc. Y/N

My DH has helped out by taking photos at events for a local youth group (not Scouts) but has always passed the photos to the group leaders.
You can withdraw photo permission for your children at any time. she cannot then distribute any photos that include your children. Many families have very good reasons for their children's photographs not to be distributed without their knowledge, escaping from DV or in some cases of adoption.
I would be bringing this up with the Scout leaders as I'm not sure why they are allowing this, are they getting a cut of the charges?

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 12:22

brasy how hard is it to hold a camera still and take a photo?

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iwantavuvezela · 10/02/2017 12:23

To be honest I don't see this as grabby. You can still take shots yourself, and she is perhaps trying to make a living and has realized that some people will pay for proper shots. I get that she used to offer them for free, but perhaps she needs to make an income as well.
You can of course also buy a camera and do the same, I just see someone who is using her skills and equipment, and there is not onus that you have to buy the photos.

greeeen · 10/02/2017 12:23

£10/ print? That does sound grabby to me. I would withdraw my consent in those circumstances.

LoudBatPerson · 10/02/2017 12:23

If I withdraw consent it will be harder for her then if other parents do the same she will have to go back to not charging!

Or will just stop giving up her time to take photographs at all.

trinketsofgold · 10/02/2017 12:23

Is the profit going to her, or the organisation?

Tbh you could always volunteer yourself and take your own photos..

Bluebellevergreen · 10/02/2017 12:24

Then yes you have to buy a camera like she has done.

I think that if you are not happy with camera phone pics and you have given consent then pay for them or buy a camera and take your own.

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 12:25

Itmustbe
There were permission slips sent which I signed
No release forms? As she said they weren't going to be sold to external companies ?

I'll just email her and say I want free photos or I will withdraw.

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Crispbutty · 10/02/2017 12:25

"Yes they are nice but any idiot can take a photo if you have all the right equipment."

Hmm really?

OneWithTheForce · 10/02/2017 12:25

There is a difference between consenting to photos you will have access to via the scout groups FB page or email and consenting to photos you have to pay to see! Why on earth would you consent to the latter when you can just take free ones yourself.

SaucyJack · 10/02/2017 12:26

"But why shouldn't she make a profit? She's giving her time."

Do you not think it's a bit exploitative? Scout groups are run by volunteers, for the interests of children (inc. this woman's). Most have charity status.

Does every last little thing on Earth have to be used as an excuse to leech cash from parents?

MillionToOneChances · 10/02/2017 12:26

It takes a lot of time to sort out the best pics and email them - I used to do it for my friends but lost interest. You sound very entitled thinking she should do that for you for free. I would assume she still supplied pics free to the leader but wants to be slightly recommended for the hassle if other people want them. £10 for a professional 8x10 is a bargain!

Bluebellevergreen · 10/02/2017 12:26

how hard is it to hold a camera still and take a photo?
Hmm
Now you are sounding a little bit unreasonable.

Photography is a profession and I feel it is a bit mean to make a comment like that.

If you think you can do it then go ahead.

Some people save for a long time to buy a camera and take lessons.

You obviously like her pics enough when they were free.

Children are having fun and making friends, maybe drop this issue?

MillionToOneChances · 10/02/2017 12:26

*recompensed

arethereanyleftatall · 10/02/2017 12:26

So, all you would gain is not being very nice? What's the point in that?

I repeat what I said before now that we know she's a professional photographer- you were extremely lucky to get the photos for free.

I once had the wonderful luck of a student photographer needing to build her portfolio. She took some wonderful images of my family for free, and gave me a disk. I was incredibly grateful. Now that she's qualified I don't expect her to take photos for free in the basis of 'you used to.'

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 10/02/2017 12:27

If I withdraw consent it will be harder for her then if other parents do the same she will have to go back to not charging! Grin

Or she might decide that if that's how people feel she'll stop taking them altogether?

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 12:28

You don't pay to see them
She has them on her professional website
We parents have a password where we can see them.

They have writing on them so you cannot download them anymore.

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Trifleorbust · 10/02/2017 12:28

Sounds like the requests for her photos have started eating up a lot of time and so she is charging for them. I think you can withdraw permission for them to use pictures of him.

shoppingandclueless · 10/02/2017 12:29

I cannot take photos like hers because she has a proper camera and I only have my phone. Yes they are nice but any idiot can take a photo if you have all the right equipment.

You obviously know nothing about photography. But good luck with "buying a posh camera" that can take great pictures all by itself, zero skill and talent required. Hmm

BurnTheBlackSuit · 10/02/2017 12:29

I used to get photos from her all the time, now I have to pay as she won't email them any more

I wonder if it has less to do with her wanting to make money, and more to do with her being fed up.

She helped, they did an activity, she took some photos for the groups social media. Fine. Then every single parent starts contacting her asking her to email them hundreds of photos of their children. She got fed up with the "all the time" aspect, so thought she'd charge. It puts off endless photo requests and the requests she does have, she is not out of pocket for all the effort.

trinketsofgold · 10/02/2017 12:29

The only grabby one here is the OP. Expecting blackmail to get her free professional photos.

arethereanyleftatall · 10/02/2017 12:30

Saucy - Maybe she feels she's already done her share of volunteering?

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MintLeafTea · 10/02/2017 12:30

I didn't say the photos are rubbish. They are very good. I just don't want to pay when I've had them for free.

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HelenaGWells · 10/02/2017 12:30

First thing is that you can refuse permission for your child to be in them. She then cannot take or sell any photos from the time you revoke permission that have your child in.

Check the scouts form you signed if you can. Usually for groups like this the photos would be taken for "promotional purposes" and this would be what you gave permission for on the tick box. If it hasn't specified commercial purposes there may be something you can do but you would need advice from someone legal.