To ask scots if they actually like Nicola sturgeon

[Karen85]

Just out of curiosity really because she and her voice make me cringe when i hear her on tv or radio.

Love scots though please don't get me wrong.

It's making Scotland a nanny state - drink restrictions, named person - we obviously can't be trusted to look after ourselves, embarrassing imo, govs in other countries haven't introduced these laws, just useless Scots need nanny to supervise.

I do find it interesting that Marion Fellows comment on the way Scottish MPs have been treated in the commons has been ignored though.

The Gaelic map shows their gaelic equivalent or the gaelic the modern name is derived from ie they have translated the name into a Gaelic form so it's a load of old bollocks

Skooba. The drink drive regs are to decrease drink related RTAs, a problem in Scotland and one which has decreased with the change of the law.

It's part of governing to try to improve health and wellbeing and it's cross party.

SaorAlba it's just that we're picking biased bits of information you know. So no-one has to comment.

I do find it interesting that Marion Fellows comment on the way Scottish MPs have been treated in the commons has been ignored though

It's hard to really understand what she is saying to be honest. we have no context as to how many other MPs from outwith Scotland were allowed to speak, whether the 4 from Scotland was proportional etc.

There is also the point that as SNP MPs/MSPs all have to sing from the same hymn sheet and since that's all been heard already, that there was really no point hashing over the same stuff over and over again.

Skooba, do you know what 'derived from' means?

SaorAlba it's just that we're picking biased bits of information you know. So no-one has to comment.

So posting links to Wings over Scotland etc isn't picking biased bits of information?

'The Gaelic map shows their gaelic equivalent or the gaelic the modern name is derived from ie they have translated the name into a Gaelic form so it's a load of old bollocks'

It's really really not. A huge proportion of modern placenames right across Scotland derive from earlier Gaelic forms. Because the places were named by the people who lived there, who spoke Gaelic.

East Kilbride is a perfect example - Kil is the word for a church or religious foundation, Bride is Brìd, or St Bridget. It's a very common Gaelic placename formation, often dating to the time of monastic settlement in the early medieval period.

You can see the linguistic construction and other examples here: www.gaelicplacenames.org/databasedetails.php?id=1426

Wankers Wings is biased, as I am, for Scottish independence but I believe his facts and figures are well referenced.

Wankers having spoken to Marion, I believe every Labour and Tory MP was given the chance to speak, and only 4 Scottish MPs were allowed to speak at all. Out of 56 whether people like it or not, Brexit does affect all of us, and every MP across the UK should be able to raise concerns of their constituents.

I'm all for reasonable debate, but when people talk about Nicola shutting folk down and being autocratic, it's a bit ironic that one whole section of the UK can be effectively silenced in a debate about the future of the whole of the UK.

I do think some stuff the SNP does is a load of shite, I want to keep trident (we're a tiny country with a decimated army, so we need a deterrent), I don't think street signs in Gaelic are a good use of money, and the baby boxes should be means tested.

Equally however, I don't think the SNP and their voters should be maligned, sneered at and belittled because people disagree with them.

ha ha - well you can believe what you like, it doesn't make it true. Calling out other people for being biased when you clearly are is a bit of a joke too.

Also, it makes my teeth itch when fellow SNP voters get shitty with other people because it's unhelpful when trying to explain your point if you have to resort to insults.

Wankers was that to me?

Saor, no, I was speaking to Calyx. Your posts have been intelligent and fair - even if I don't always agree with you.

Derivations are not the same as actual town place names existing in Gaelic. Many words in use today can be traced back to Latin, French etc but that doesn't make them actually French.

I know what Gaelic equivalent means. There are names derived from English, old Scots, names from Norse and a v large number where the derivation is debatable round here.

Wankers are you saying my posts are unintelligent and unfair?

And when did call anyone out for being biased? (I said the Guardian was unionist)?

I feel the same about yours Wankers, like you said, we don't always ever agree politically, but that's the beauty of democracy. We don't have to

I don't know the ins and outs of the rules of commons debates, but I do watch a fair few on BBC parliament channel where you get an overall, unbiased view of them. I can honestly say that it doesn't seem to me as though the SNP are unfairly treated overall - the only thing noticeable about the SNP is that they tend to be a bit 'roudier' (for want of a better word), and they often ask variations on the same theme more than other parties, but that may be because they (as a group) are relatively inexperienced and not familiar with the protocols etc.

As to why only a small number were chosen to speak, the speaker has a list of all of the questions beforehand and chooses speakers accordingly so that its a balanced debate, with roughly the same number of speakers for each side of an issue in the allotted time. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the SNP questions were all very similar (because they often are, unfortunately), and so to avoid repetition only a small number were called upon.

Lindsay Hoyle looks a bit of a prat surely he won't be made speaker

OOAOML - I take your points about racism. I do.

But I still struggle with these views being openly expressed by a sitting SNP MSP and for there to be 'no comment'. How can we go forwards and 'work together' - because, like it or not, for the SNP to achieve Indy from UK and to stay in the EU they WILL need to listen and to work with other people -
when the current Party will not formally disapprove of such behaviour?

The IndyRef was AWFUL. I dread the coming one. Folk on both sides behaved badly. But the SNP was very slow to comment on some appalling behaviour of some of its extremists. The Party HAS to distance themselves from that to be credible. But they don't, as they don't need to.

Please don't think I am a Theresa May / London rule fan. I am not.
But, NS, and the current SNP policies make my teeth itch.

I can't get my head round the idea all other MPs got to speak. How was that possible? Or does it mean a handful were there from other parties but SNP were out in force?

They do form a solid group when I tune into parliament TV - not knocking it by the way!

Derivations are not the same as actual town place names existing in Gaelic. Many words in use today can be traced back to Latin, French etc but that doesn't make them actually French

Exactly. The village I'm from is named for a Borders family but has aquired a Gaelic station name.