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To ask scots if they actually like Nicola sturgeon

917 replies

Karen85 · 03/02/2017 13:24

Just out of curiosity really because she and her voice make me cringe when i hear her on tv or radio.

Love scots though please don't get me wrong.

OP posts:
Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 16:47

The point isn't that other parties get treated with disrespect, it's that the Scottish (and other devolved governments) MPs are. It angers and frustrates me and is one of the reasons I believe we need self governance.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/02/2017 17:00

If SNP MPs were being treated with disrespect at Westminster, whilst all other MPs were treated with respect, that would be a reason to complain - but just showing clips of SNP MPs being treated with disrespect cannot prove that they are being singled out for poor treatment and disrespect.

I doubt that a pro-independence blog is going to provide a balanced or unbiased view of how SNO MOs at present treated compared to other MPs, and for that reason, I don't think you should be relying on their choice of YouTube clips to back up your belief that Scotland would be better off independent.

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 17:08

So they are being treated with respect then. Oh well that's all right. I'll just shut up and eat my cereal.

Honestly. That debate was supposed to give the devolved administrations a voice and the word for word transcripts and video clips of that one occasion shows me that they were absolutely not given anything like a fair say on this very important matter.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/02/2017 17:17

I said that carefully selected clips cannot prove that the SNP MPs are treated differently to any other MPs, calyx - please don't put words into my mouth.

You can probably select YouTube clips to prove just about anything - doesn't mean it's true.

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 17:18

What was your point though? Don't say anything if you can't prove other parties aren't given respect?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/02/2017 17:23

No. My point was don't take evidence from just one biased source and use it as basis for a belief that SNP MPs are singled out for particular disrespect.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 07/02/2017 17:42

Actually my local MP posted on her official page earlier that only 7 SNP MPs were allowed to speak during the debate last night, and that all of the Labour and Tory MPs were allowed to speak. So I would say that's pretty clear, since if it wasn't true she could be sued for slander. It is absolutely clear that SNP MPs are not treated with the same respect as other MPs by the media and by many in society, but for it to happen in the House of Commons is taking the piss.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 07/02/2017 17:43

Her name is Marion Fellowes if anyone wants to check what I've just said.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 07/02/2017 17:43

Sorry Marion Fellows MP is her official page.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 07/02/2017 17:45

I've got my numbers mixed up, here's her post before I make any more bloody mistakes!

To ask scots if they actually like Nicola sturgeon
WankersHacksandThieves · 07/02/2017 17:47

we do have people who might be quite good at that side of things given the chance.

Well, they have been given the chance and they've chosen not to take it because it may make them unpopular and therefore unable to persuade enough people to vote for independence.

I have no doubt that Scotland is full of talented bright hardworking enthusiastic people. It's just that none of them are in the SNP.

Skooba · 07/02/2017 18:19

Judging by the new policies the Scottish gov has introduced so far I seriously question the level of intelligence of their presumably local advisors. Baby box, Gaelic place names, OTT drink regs, police reorganisation etc

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 18:22

It's not just Scotland that has baby boxes.
Gaelic place names - they used to be in Gaelic and why not anyway? Wales anyone?
Police Scotland I haven't read up on but is an ongoing process.

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 18:24

And there's evidence about one single drink and driving. I agree with 'don't drink and drive'

WankersHacksandThieves · 07/02/2017 18:25

they used to be in Gaelic and why not anyway? Hmm

I'm sorry Calyx but either you are at the wind up or you really need to go out and find out about the country you are apparently so passionate about.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 07/02/2017 18:28

I don't think the drink regs are OTT, don't drink and drive seems perfectly reasonable to me, and the minimum pricing will help to ease a lot of problems for the NHS and emergency services. Let's face it, unless you're buying Buckfast or cheap nasty cider, they're not really going to affect you are they?

catlover1987 · 07/02/2017 18:28

I haven't read the whole thread but I just wanted to add that I cannot stand her. I think the Scottish government is completely incompetent and that independence would destroy our country. It embarrasses me to think people in England think that all Scots want this.

Bejazzled · 07/02/2017 18:32

they used to be in Gaelic

Really, I don't remember East Kilbride, Glenrothes, Newton Mearns etc etc etc, in fact most central and southern belt ever being in Gaelic.

Nyx · 07/02/2017 18:40

www.north-harris.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gaelic_guide.pdf

From that: "Scottish Gaelic today is strongly associated with the Scottish Highlands, especially the Western Isles, and it is easy to forget that it was once the main language of Scotland. About a thousand years ago, when Gaelic was at its height, it could be heard from Berwickshire to Caithness and from Cape Wrath to the Rhinns of Galloway. It has left its mark above all else, in place names, even in areas including much of lowland Scotland, where it has been little spoken since the middle ages. It has left us with thousands of familiar place names containing scores of Gaelic elements, such as Auch- from achadh, Auchter- from uachdar, Bal- from baile, Dun- from dùn, Inver- from inbhir, Kin- from ceann, and Kil- usually from cill or coille.
On the Ordnance Survey maps of Scotland you will find two types of names: those written using English spelling and those using Gaelic spelling (orthography). This does not reflect the extent of place names derived from Gaelic, which are to be found throughout most of Scotland, but rather it reflects the areas in which Gaelic was, or had recently been, spoken at the time of the creation of the Ordnance Survey maps in the 19th century. The accompanying glossary is concerned only with those names written in Gaelic orthography. The initial form given in the glossary is the main form of that word in the Gaelic-Gaelic dictionary Brìgh nam Facal by Richard A V Cox (Gairm Publications, Glasgow 1991). "

Nyx · 07/02/2017 18:42

Wankers, I think it's fairly obvious Calyx isn't 'on the wind up' Hmm

WankersHacksandThieves · 07/02/2017 18:44

well, a thousand years ago we were still being raped and pillaged by the vikings but I don't see anyone spending vast amounts of cash on recreating that.

WankersHacksandThieves · 07/02/2017 18:45

Wankers, I think it's fairly obvious Calyx isn't 'on the wind up

Is it? Well I must say it was probably wishful thinking on my part.

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 18:46

I'm not on the wind up. I feel with some of the responses to me on this thread that others are.

Calyx72 · 07/02/2017 18:47

Thank you Nyx.