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To ask scots if they actually like Nicola sturgeon

917 replies

Karen85 · 03/02/2017 13:24

Just out of curiosity really because she and her voice make me cringe when i hear her on tv or radio.

Love scots though please don't get me wrong.

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WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:33

Calyxx, because Scotland wants more and has been led to understand they will get more and we simply can't afford it. We spend way above our means.

I'd be up for some political reform to get a more even representation and I am not ideologically against Scottish independence per se, but if we take all other things aside, we can afford it. However, people need to understand that even representation based on numbers of votes cast would mean that parties such as UKIP get a bigger say too.

The Scottish Parliament was never designed to be a one party institution, it has therefore been set up in a way that means it doesn't hav ethe checks and balances that Westminster has. When there are bills to be debated etc and there are sub groups, those group are not only cross party, they are led by a member of the opposite party to the one putting the bill forward. that doesn't happen in Holyrood. It's really dodgy imo.

I don't like the way that the truth is always manipulated and even their own MPs are unable to comment on it, It's like a fecking dictatorship.

And fwiw, Nicola isn't trying to achieve anything other than independance so whatever party that is in power in Westminster is better than the fecking blind determination to go against Scotland's best interests.

WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:34

for can afford it please read can't - too tired to be arguing the toss about that sleekit gobshite and her bunch of monkeys.

VeryBitchyRestingFace · 03/02/2017 22:35

Scottish in Scotland. I like her. I'm not passionate about her but I don't get the naked hostility.

JamieXeed74 · 03/02/2017 22:36

Why does she complain about cuts yet never increase tax and reverse them. Hypocrite much?

forfucksakenet · 03/02/2017 22:36

And reading this thread makes me pray for it even more fervently ... 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

forfucksakenet · 03/02/2017 22:37

Independence that is. Oh I can't wait Grin

PickledCauliflower · 03/02/2017 22:37

Every time somebody breaks wind Nicola Sturgeon demands another referendum. They have just had one.
I think I have a rough idea how much a referendum costs to run and then process.
They don't need to have a referendum every six months (or until she gets the result she wants) do they?

RedVelvetOreos · 03/02/2017 22:38

Also the Green Party are pro independence but how would that work when their policies are green yet an independent Scotland would need to use oil revenue for income and during the referendum the SNP were using oil revenue as one of their main arguements for independence? They are all power hungry and don't seem to actually want whats best for the country so of course its easier for them to blame Westminster to gain alliances

Calyx72 · 03/02/2017 22:40

Wankers sorry you're too tired. We can afford independence (much easier than the current drain on our finances and that even before Brexit) in my opinion. Holyrood isn't 'one party' at all. But you're entitled to your opinion.

forfucksakenet · 03/02/2017 22:40

😂😂😂😂😂

CaraAspen · 03/02/2017 22:41

Such as it is.

CaraAspen · 03/02/2017 22:42

"Calyx72

Wankers sorry you're too tired. We can afford independence (much easier than the current drain on our finances and that even before Brexit) in my opinion. Holyrood isn't 'one party' at all. But you're entitled to your opinion."
Yeah. Such as it is.

Calyx72 · 03/02/2017 22:42

Jamie. If she increases income tax the block grant decreases by that amount. It's a political land mine and set up like that by the unionist Westminster on purpose. She's not a hypocrite she is still trying to mitigate tory austerity for Scotland but without any real economic levers.

Calyx72 · 03/02/2017 22:44

Redvelvet SNP wanted to invest in renewables but were shafted by Westminster re: those. This will be a priority on independence.

CaraAspen · 03/02/2017 22:44

"WankersHacksandThieves

Theresa May, in contrast, is running scared."

Erm...nope. From everything. But mainly her own daft party. Haha

Dilligaf81 · 03/02/2017 22:47

I judge mps or msps on their voting record not personality and wish more people would look at policies not people if they dis we might get rid of this god awful government. I find she talks with passion but her voting record doesn't back up the words.

CaraAspen · 03/02/2017 22:47

"WankersHacksandThieves

Theresa May, in contrast, is running scared.

From Nicola?!!! grin That is fucking hilarious."

Calm down. I meant the whole party. Everyone. Everything. Poor soul.

Calyx72 · 03/02/2017 22:48

SNP just made a deal with the Greens to get their budget through. Greens pushed for and got agreement to increase local council spending although SNP kept the higher level income tax without lowering it to gain that cash.

Cue Unionist press screaming 'tax hikes' (untrue) and 'highest tax in Britain' (actually only higher for between 3 and 4 hundred thousand higher earners in total).

WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:48

Have any of the people on here who want independence ever actually looked at the published figures?

Where do you all think the money is coming from for all this wonderful stuff that is going to happen when we are independant?

I don't want to be left in a broke parochial backwater. i don't want my children to be left with no future in scotland.

We are basically trying to piss of the country that buys about 80% of our exports to cosy up to the organisation that buys less than 20% . Doesn't anyone else think that's a problem?

I'd marginally want to be in Europe rather than be out but I respect the democratic result. However, I'd rather be in the UK and out of Europe than out of the UK and in or out Europe.

I think NS would be stupid to think that a vote against Brexit is a vote for independance.

ANd honestly, until she started banging on about it, who really voted for independence as part of a package of european membership?

All this fight to be independent of Westminster but happy to hand over power to some bunch of distant europeans who give no toss about Scotland. And added to that she has no chance of pulling of EU membership by the back door. Countries have already said they will veto it and they will. So we will go to the back of the queue and we have no way of meeting the financial requirements for the forseeable.

It's fucking mad.

forfucksakenet · 03/02/2017 22:50

🙄 expected to take advice on independence from someone who can't even spell it?

WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:52

Calyxx

Wankers sorry you're too tired. We can afford independence (much easier than the current drain on our finances and that even before Brexit) in my opinion. Holyrood isn't 'one party' at all. But you're entitled to your opinion.

Holyrood was designed to be a coalition, as such, the 2nd layer of checks and balances was never set up in the constitution. It was never meant to have one party in the majority. When that happened, the constitution should have been reviewed. However, as it suits the party in power to keep it like that, it won't be changed until there is a coalition again which is willing to sort it out.

forfucksakenet · 03/02/2017 22:52

And you are of course correct. You are the only person on this thread who has done any reading or research. Well done you. Biscuit

RedVelvetOreos · 03/02/2017 22:53

Is that you nicola?

WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:54

🙄 expected to take advice on independence from someone who can't even spell it?

Aye well, when you have to reduce your argument to the state of someone's typing then I think you've you've done yourself less favours than you've done me.

WankersHacksandThieves · 03/02/2017 22:56

And you are of course correct. You are the only person on this thread who has done any reading or research. Well done you. biscuit

Thanks Flowers

I'm not telling anyone how to vote but I am as entitled to a view the same as you - unless of course you a SNP MSP in which case you are entitled to have NS's view and not your own...

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