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Not sure how I can earn what DH suggests upon return to work

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HowcanIearnthis · 03/02/2017 10:15

Apologies in advance for the length of this - trying not to drip feed.

DH is a high earner and has worked very hard for his whole adult life. About a year ago, I became a SAHP, but prior to that I had worked similar hours to DH. I am slightly younger than DH, so had not worked these hours for as many years. In addition, my profession is a bit lower paid than that of DH and frankly, he was unusually successful in his profession, whereas, whilst competent, I wasn't exceptionally successful in mine. As a result of his career success, we have had a comfortable lifestyle, paid off our mortgage and whilst we don't spend excessively (both of us being from quite frugal, sensible backgrounds), we have been extremely fortunate in that we haven't had particular money worries. I know that we are very, very lucky.

When I became a SAHP, this was a joint decision, although a contributory factor was my mental health and the impact on it of a horribly stressful job. Even today, one year on, I quite often find myself in tears and sweating at 3am about the situation I left. We decided that it would be best for all of us if I were to be a SAHP until all of our DC started school. We are now expecting DC2. DH says he still feels that it is best for all of us if I continue to be a SAHP for now. I was happy with this until very recently, having taken steps to protect my own financial position etc. DH's job is very demanding and it is true that I don't think he could do it if I were doing my old job and unable to be the "default" parent, as I am now. We live in an area with very little childcare provision and my returning to work would realistically mean DD being in childcare from 7 am to 7pm every day, which I would prefer to avoid if possible.

However, DH now says that when the DC start school (so in 5 years or so), we need to share the financial responsibility for our family down the middle. So far, so reasonable - I was very much intending to go back to work. We have worked out a budget as to what income we will need to meet our outgoings. However, what this means in practice is that from his high earning position, he will only need to work 1 day/week. Even when I manage to get back into the workplace, it will mean me having to work 5 days/week, because I will have disadvantaged myself so much in career terms. I feel that my being at home has directly contributed to this situation - increasing his earning potential massively and reducing my own - and that it would be fair to take account of this. I pointed out that if I made a unilateral decision that I was only going to "work" in looking after the DC 1 day a week from now on, he'd have serious difficulties. I feel that it would be fairer to, for example, work three days a week each, if such roles could be found. He says that he has worked hard for many years and deserves a break. I feel that I could say the same, but I have a (shared) responsibility to look after our kids financially and emotionally. Being at home with small children isn't a holiday and I feel that it's not fair for me to do all the years of wiping snot, night feeds and chasing poo around the bath and then for him to want to swap and be the SAHP once they're both in school and he can read his book on the sofa.

I'm also a bit upset because we have always had shared responsibilities and finances. He's an amazing father and he worships the ground DD walks on - he's not some sort of absent parent and I would never, ever have said that he was someone who shirked responsibility or was looking for a free ride on the domestic front. We are a family - we have always mucked in together. That's what families do, isn't it?!

AIBU?

OP posts:
gleam · 03/02/2017 20:42

Howcan - when will you be looking for jobs with vaguely equal hours? Now? Or in 5 years when all the gruntwork is done?
What's to stop him changing his mind again?

EurusHolmesViolin · 03/02/2017 20:52

Well she's pregnant and has mental health issues, if he was forcing her to get a job now it wouldn't be great would it.

It would also be a rather pointless endeavour, since if OP isn't showing now she soon enough will be, and we all know employers aren't queueing up to take on the visibly upduffed.

But the point is, DH not wanting OP to work while the DC are small, ie when it might make his life more difficult to have to step up domestically, has implications. It's very telling. He wants to share the earning burden later, which is fine, but not to take action now that will facilitate it later.

Olympiathequeen · 03/02/2017 21:07

I think that's a good compromise. Equal hours working. After all we are not talking now but in 5 years when both children are in school, so op won't be doing night feeds then having to get up for work.

kittybiscuits · 03/02/2017 21:13

So he wants to be the SAHP when the DC has started school? Cheeky bastard. Did he always take the piss like that. I think I would see a solicitor now and plan my exit point.

ChasedByBees · 03/02/2017 21:28

Quite frankly, nice guy or not, I'd divorce any man that tried to implement this as it would be so unfair and so unbalanced that it would surely kill any love stone dead and you'd be significantly better off financially divorced.

Astoria7974 · 03/02/2017 23:56

Ignore him. Go back to work full time after your mat leave with DC2 and let him deal with the kids. His attitude is so old fashioned it's a joke

kittybiscuits · 04/02/2017 08:30

If OP does that Astoria he will be the primary carer of the children when OP eventually leaves him. It's not a smart move. He doesn't seem like a very caring person to me.

Megatherium · 04/02/2017 08:39

Suggest to him that he goes to part time once the baby's born while you also get a part time job, on the basis that there is then an even split of housework including night feeds. I suspect he'll quickly change his mind about how hard his work is.

reuset · 04/02/2017 08:41

So he wants to be the SAHP when the DC has started school? Cheeky bastard. Did he always take the piss like that. I think I would see a solicitor now and plan my exit point.

Lots of us thinking similarly Grin Discussing sharing of the workload, in and outside of the home, fine. Even changing who is the sahp, fine. Waiting specifically until they are at school, not fine!

Also, he sounds in cloud cuckoo land. He's going to look for, then walk into, a non exec director job paying ££ just one or two days a week. If he's in director type role currently I can't believe he's being mealy mouthed about the finances and calculating this way. That's why I asked, with one or two others, what his job was and how much he earned. I don't buy it.

LovelyBath77 · 04/02/2017 09:03

What I don't really understand is why he is so concerned about the OP making more of a financial contribution when it seems it isn;t really needed, as mortgage paid off etc and he's earned such a lot? It just sounds like some kind of bullying, and a warped sense of 'fairness' which doesn't value the work the Op already does at home.

I agree if he was then left with the childcare as a result it might be a bit of a wake up call.

Squeegle · 04/02/2017 09:11

Glad it's sorted. Sounds like he just needs a bit of a break, and frankly if he has earned so much already, then he can probably work a bit less and you a bit more (than now I mean!) without breaking the bank.

reuset · 04/02/2017 10:19

It's not really 'sorted' though is it. Just because he apologised. And I think under the circumstances the Op would be unwise to wait five years before returning to work.

kittybiscuits · 04/02/2017 10:25

He's basically saying 'look I've made us a load of money with no help from you. As soon as the kids are at school I'm going to sit on my arse and do nothing and it's over to you to match what I have earned.'. He is being arrogant, greedy and entitled. And pretty fucking stupid given the reality of what would happen if OP told him to go fucking himself now and divorced him.

NameChange30 · 04/02/2017 10:39

reuset I agree

Elendon · 04/02/2017 10:58

If you honestly think you are going to get high paying executive work after a seven year break you are deluded and so is he. It isn't going to happen. He will not get a job reducing hours to one day a week (don't make me laugh), he wants a high flying executive woman who gets everything sorted and brings in the money. I suspect he's found someone else.

Trust me. This isn't going to end well.

MommaGee · 04/02/2017 11:02

For everyone saying go back to work 6 Mo after DC is born to teach him a lesson, dp you even want to? Will you MH allow you to?
Hes said sorry, hes said we'll look for equal hours. I'd now just ignore it.
If you split, you're married and entitled to support.
If hes otherwise a good hubby other than this you can deal with it then.
Like many have said he's delusional about work anyway and he can't make you do something you dont want to do.

In the next five years you could get pregnant with triplets, win the lottery, leave him for the millman

reuset · 04/02/2017 11:11

Personally I didn't specify a time frame or mention teaching of lessons. Five years is too long and I don't think it's wise to depend financially on her dh. Very unwise

cmwife · 04/02/2017 11:12

OP, calculate how many hours of housework, childcare, cooking and other work (incl driving kids about, buying gifts, organising birthday parties, going to baby music class/swim class, organising Christmas, paying bills, dealing with banks/schools/gardeners) you've done on average per week since you stopped paid work. Include "on call" time when you are not actively doing anything but may have to at any time e.g. when baby is asleep. Then compare that to what he's done, including his commute, evening networking stuff, overseas trips, and any housework, cooking, childcare he did after hours or on weekends. I can promise you the hours will be almost identical or that you'll be doing more - I did this with my husband when I was expecting number 2 and was really shocked to find I was doing nearly 100 hours per week when baby was tiny, and about 85 hours thereafter. Unless he's in investment banking he won't be doing those hours. Then tell him that as you will now be working say 40 hours per week including commute he will need to take on XYZ tasks which you previously did - so that the total hours worked inside and outside the home are equal (because it all needs to be equal, right? Grin). Give him a proposed daily schedule for both of you for a month, and make sure to include things like making and attending doctors appointments, school reading, going to school sports days/assemblies/music performances, ironing school uniforms daily, getting kids breakfast, packing lunches and schoolbags, organising and supervising haircuts, supervising homework and daily reading, checking and responding to school notes, supervising music practice, grocery shopping and buying clothes, shoes and school stationary. And tell him that as your respective total financial contributions have to be equal then the contributions of course must be net of expenses, so he can't just outsource everything. He'll soon change his mind when he realises he has 30+ hours per week of drudge work ahead of him, on top of the fun "playing with kids" stuff. When you see it all written down, you might even change your mind about going back to work - I did and am now happily working 4 days a week while my husband (who works 4.5 days) does all the laundry and about 45% of the rest (I did a time audit for both of us a year ago to make sure it was fair - can you tell I work in a profession which requires time recording?). My husband was all very "We need to contribute equally, and I expect you will work outside the home". He got a bit more than he bargained for, and it's worked out very well for me in the end Smile. And it's good for our kids to see him doing his fair share (which is a fuckload more than he expected).

cmwife · 04/02/2017 11:16

And if he rolls his eyes about when he sees the schedule and tells you that you're overeating it, smile politely and say "I hope you're right, we'll both have more free time if that's so"

cmwife · 04/02/2017 11:16

Overegging ffs, not overeating

cmwife · 04/02/2017 11:19

I should add that I earn less than him, but made it clear that I would not be working extra hours in paid work because that would result in an undervaluation of my in home work.

MommaGee · 04/02/2017 11:21

Wasn't aimed at you reuset but there's lots of comments saying go back when baby is 6 months, make him dp half the childcare etc. when she's already stated one of the reasons for being home is mh issues. I'm not saying dont get advice or go back when you feel ready just don't do it to prove a point to him if you want to be at home and this is an unusual moment of madness off him not indicative of him generally being an arse

Elendon · 04/02/2017 11:31

How do high flyers do it? They send their children off to boarding school at an early age or get a nanny, cleaner, gardener in (and who organises this?).

Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 11:44

cmwife. OP says when all DCs are in full time school (5 years from now) so there won't be baby classes or baby care involved, but a relatively smooth 'kids in full time school' scenario.

Anyone with reasonable organising ability can coordinate housework, cooking and organising the minutiae of family life with a fair bit of 'me' time. This would work in favour of both the OP and her husband and create a good work/life balance for both them and their children.

Being a SAHP isn't the life of sheer drudgery you are painting it.

Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 11:45

With working (at two part time jobs of relatively equal hours) too.

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