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Not sure how I can earn what DH suggests upon return to work

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HowcanIearnthis · 03/02/2017 10:15

Apologies in advance for the length of this - trying not to drip feed.

DH is a high earner and has worked very hard for his whole adult life. About a year ago, I became a SAHP, but prior to that I had worked similar hours to DH. I am slightly younger than DH, so had not worked these hours for as many years. In addition, my profession is a bit lower paid than that of DH and frankly, he was unusually successful in his profession, whereas, whilst competent, I wasn't exceptionally successful in mine. As a result of his career success, we have had a comfortable lifestyle, paid off our mortgage and whilst we don't spend excessively (both of us being from quite frugal, sensible backgrounds), we have been extremely fortunate in that we haven't had particular money worries. I know that we are very, very lucky.

When I became a SAHP, this was a joint decision, although a contributory factor was my mental health and the impact on it of a horribly stressful job. Even today, one year on, I quite often find myself in tears and sweating at 3am about the situation I left. We decided that it would be best for all of us if I were to be a SAHP until all of our DC started school. We are now expecting DC2. DH says he still feels that it is best for all of us if I continue to be a SAHP for now. I was happy with this until very recently, having taken steps to protect my own financial position etc. DH's job is very demanding and it is true that I don't think he could do it if I were doing my old job and unable to be the "default" parent, as I am now. We live in an area with very little childcare provision and my returning to work would realistically mean DD being in childcare from 7 am to 7pm every day, which I would prefer to avoid if possible.

However, DH now says that when the DC start school (so in 5 years or so), we need to share the financial responsibility for our family down the middle. So far, so reasonable - I was very much intending to go back to work. We have worked out a budget as to what income we will need to meet our outgoings. However, what this means in practice is that from his high earning position, he will only need to work 1 day/week. Even when I manage to get back into the workplace, it will mean me having to work 5 days/week, because I will have disadvantaged myself so much in career terms. I feel that my being at home has directly contributed to this situation - increasing his earning potential massively and reducing my own - and that it would be fair to take account of this. I pointed out that if I made a unilateral decision that I was only going to "work" in looking after the DC 1 day a week from now on, he'd have serious difficulties. I feel that it would be fairer to, for example, work three days a week each, if such roles could be found. He says that he has worked hard for many years and deserves a break. I feel that I could say the same, but I have a (shared) responsibility to look after our kids financially and emotionally. Being at home with small children isn't a holiday and I feel that it's not fair for me to do all the years of wiping snot, night feeds and chasing poo around the bath and then for him to want to swap and be the SAHP once they're both in school and he can read his book on the sofa.

I'm also a bit upset because we have always had shared responsibilities and finances. He's an amazing father and he worships the ground DD walks on - he's not some sort of absent parent and I would never, ever have said that he was someone who shirked responsibility or was looking for a free ride on the domestic front. We are a family - we have always mucked in together. That's what families do, isn't it?!

AIBU?

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WhooooAmI24601 · 04/02/2017 11:53

If being a SAHP isn't a job then why do we have to pay nurseries and childminders to do it?

Your DH is absolutely U. You know this, though. The point now is how can you work it out; either together or separately? DH has always earned vastly more than me (I teach). I won't ever compete with his salary, I'm ok with it, but when I took time off for the DCs there was no question that we would stop splitting things 50/50 financially because it wasn't sustainable. To my knowledge he's never resented it, and I know without asking that he understands that the reason he's done so well in his career is because he has a DW who does the lions share of school/home stuff in the background. The only reason it works is because we know the full value of one another. If you're not valued, it's not a balanced relationship.

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Lunalovepud · 04/02/2017 11:54

I agree with cmwife if DH said anything like that to me I would be totting up the hours I have put in looking after DC1 since birth, including night shift / waking nights etc and then saying that is what I have been earning this whole time.

Actually, I wouldn't be doing this. I would be telling DH to foxtrot oscar. I am also PG with DC2 and if DH raised this kind of thing now while I am all pregnant with his baby and hormonal and vulnerable, I am not sure I would be anywhere near as forgiving as you are.

I would also be looking at why I had felt the need to "take steps to protect my own financial position" and whether finances had always been in issue in the relationship.

In our house, it is one family, one pot as PPs have said. DH earns the money but I save us thousands in childcare by being a SAHP. Having a family was a joint decision and it isn't easy for the person staying at home or the person going to work. Are you really equal partners?

Good luck OP.

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LucklessMonster · 04/02/2017 11:54

If you've paid off the mortgage, are frugal, have savings and a retirement fund, how on earth can you "need" one-and-a-bit full time salaries to live comfortably?

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SuperFlyHigh · 04/02/2017 12:00

Not sure I'd share the workload when new baby is a year old but I would look at retraining in the foreseeable future or getting more of whatever training etc you need in current career.

I'd look at roles you can do split equally but would also look at what he can do eg reduced hours working from home etc.

Also have a few talks round family matters.

You're lucky to be in a position with a mortgage having been paid off.

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LuluJakey1 · 04/02/2017 12:02

Why do you have to share the financial responsibility 50:50? That isn't reasonable if one of you earns less. Surely what is fair is you both earn what you can and the responsibility is split on the basis of the ratio of your earnings eg he earns (just to make it simple) 100,000, you earn 50,000
100,000:50,000 is 2:1 so he pays 66% and you pay 33% of the bills. That is fair. It is a strange way of thinking about it though.
DH and I paid our salaries into a joint account. We each saved a set amount a month into separate ISAs, and a set amount into a joint savings acount and the rest was for us to live on. I earned more than him, then we earned about the same and now I am SAHM and he earns all the income but the arrangement is the same.It is our money.
I don't get it. You married and made a commitment to living together - house, children, lifestyle, caring for each other- they are shared responsibilities, that does not mean everything is 50:50. He has a warped view and just wants his money for himself. What is he going to say if you can't contribute 50%?
'Well the kids and I are going away for a fortnight but you can only come for a week because you could not contribute enough to qualify for the whole holiday' ?????
Or 'Well we will all only be able to go for a week unless you stump up the other £4000 because I am not prepared to contribute anymore from my salary. I would rather just put it in the bank'??????
' You can only walk on every third step because you could only contribute to part of the new stair carpet'??????
What is he thinking he will do? Silly man. Can't believe you think it is reasonable behaviour.

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SuperFlyHigh · 04/02/2017 12:02

Luckless I didn't read her OP as needing one and bit full time salaries more that after 5 years away from work she would need to work 5 days a week to catch up on skills/career progression etc.

Forgive me if I've skipped the one and bit salaries part!

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 12:06

cmwife. OP says when all DCs are in full time school (5 years from now) so there won't be baby classes or baby care involved, but a relatively smooth 'kids in full time school' scenario.

Anyone with reasonable organising ability can coordinate housework, cooking and organising the minutiae of family life with a fair bit of 'me' time. This would work in favour of both the OP and her husband and create a good work/life balance for both them and their children.

Op is happy to work equal hours part time with her DH. Seems fair and sensible to me
Being a SAHP isn't the life of sheer drudgery you are painting it.

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 12:11

lulu. I won't be so rude as to say rtft but OPs DH has apologised and they have decided to do equal working hours not look at equal income. I think the DHs unreasonable demand was just a one off stress reaction.

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Kleinzeit · 04/02/2017 12:26

However, DH now says that when the DC start school (so in 5 years or so), we need to share the financial responsibility for our family down the middle. So far, so reasonable - I was very much intending to go back to work.

However, what this means in practice is that from his high earning position, he will only need to work 1 day/week.

Says who? "Sharing financial responsibility right down the middle" does not mean "bringing in exactly the same monthly income". One partner can't dictate how much the other earns, the job market doesn't work like that. So why would he try to force you to work stupid hours while he does nothing?

So, what is it really that your DH wants? Does he really want you to stay at home while he continues to work long hours and earn mega-bucks? Does he want you to bring in some money so he can cut his hours a bit? Does he want to spend one day in paid employment and the rest on childcare and housework? Does he want you to earn some money so you could all scrape by if his job goes tits-up?

And OP, what would you like to do? And when? After all, this is planning a long way ahead. Would you like to move to a different (less stressful) area of work? Would you like to work part time, or would you like to retrain or study, perhaps start before your youngest starts school?

This doesn't start from what him telling you what is fair and reasonable. It starts from both of you honestly telling each other what would make you happy. What's reasonable and fair follows from that.

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Kleinzeit · 04/02/2017 12:27

Oh sorry - I did RTFT but it's long and I might have missed some.

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 12:33

I often don't! But OP says he rang and apologised and thinks sharing working hours and child/home care would be a fair distribution.

Sounds very reasonable to me as it is very boring staying at home when the Dc are in school full time and housework is the worlds most thankless task!

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LucklessMonster · 04/02/2017 13:14

SuperFlyHigh It's from the OP where she said they looked at how much they need to cover outgoings and it would mean her working 5 days a week and him 1. Since he's a very high earner that must mean an awful lot of money for mortgage-free and savings-free outgoings.

I could drop down to two days a week and still support the whole household if I didn't have mortgage/rent to pay!

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Spice22 · 04/02/2017 14:02

I'm slightly confused - people always talking about how being a SAHM is a lot harder once the kids are at school , when they try to justify why they don't work when they have 14 year olds. But now ,suddenly, it's a walk in the park. Why? Because it's convenient for the OP's argument?

OP, I don't think your DH is unreasonable - IF he would take on the household duties. You've not answered that question, though you've been asked numerous times. Glad it's all resolved for now though.

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EurusHolmesViolin · 04/02/2017 14:32

I'm slightly confused - people always talking about how being a SAHM is a lot harder once the kids are at school.

Do they? I've read lots of posts about how childcare can be harder to organise when children are school age, and how it can be hard as they need you in a different way when they're not babies any more, but not that.

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reuset · 04/02/2017 14:33

Is being a SAHP harder once the children are at school, spice22?

Explain please. Grin

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NarkyMcDinkyChops · 04/02/2017 14:35

people always talking about how being a SAHM is a lot harder once the kids are at school

No they aren't, at all. Nobody says that having the children out of the house all day is harder than having babies and toddlers that don't give you a minute to yourself.

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bumsexatthebingo · 04/02/2017 14:39

Your dh sounds awful. I would tell him he has your full support. But that you feel VERY strongly about home education being best for kids. I'm sure he won't have a problem with that since you've looked after them full time from birth.

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 14:44

Having school age children is a piece of cake if you are a SAHP. What childcare do you need to have organised? You are the childcare.

With 2 parents sharing work commitments with equal hours worked and ditto with child/home care its win win!

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reuset · 04/02/2017 14:44
Grin
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reuset · 04/02/2017 14:45

That was laughter at bumperbingo's post. Slow typing.

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reuset · 04/02/2017 14:46

Bloody autocorrect!

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rookiemere · 04/02/2017 14:46

I think it's the opposite. I think it becomes harder to work when DCs go to school.

When DS was younger he was at the CM - she was quite flexible, so if I needed to work a bit longer then I'd ring her up, pay her the extra and there we go. Also at that point work were fairly nice about me being p/t - preschool DC and all that, and work was in many ways a nice break from a lovely but demanding toddler/preschooler.

At school, unless you've booked them into the afterschool club, then no chance. Then you've got school holidays - DS is at private school so ours are humungeously long (our own fault of course for that choice) - and DCs are old enough and vocal enough to express their displeasure at going there. Plus people at work seem to think that once your DC is at school, and definitely once they are 10, they are somehow miraculously self-sufficient and you should be available all the time.

So it would be quite tempting to have a set up where both parents could work p/t meaning that the DCs wouldn't need wraparound care or much holiday cover. However in this case I don't think the DH has any intention of sharing the actual work - hence the 4 in 5 suggestion - but apparently it's all sorted now so there we go.

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3luckystars · 04/02/2017 14:58

'My earnings will only just cover the childcare if I go back to work. There is no financial gain and it will add stress. No thanks"

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 15:11

Would you please read the thread. There will be no childcare costs or organising. Both parents will work equal hours and be a sahp equal hours.

To spell it out there will always be one or other parent at home for childcare

Why can't people understand this basic conception?

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Olympiathequeen · 04/02/2017 15:13

rook. The DH has apologised and offered to work equal hours with DW when the DCs are in school in 5 years time.

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