..to prefer to be an expectant mother rather than a pregnant person?

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The BMA has advised doctors not to refer to an expectant mother but to a pregnant person. Leaving aside the obvious question as to whether somebody who is trans-gender and pregnant is not also going to be a mother, do other people think I am being unduly sensitive when I say, that if either term has to be used, I would still prefer to be referred to as an expectant mother (if we get round to DC6)?

It's a baby person!

Actually, I quite like this.

Silly old fuss, really Jazz? Person.

It would erase transgender. Would it not?

grandmother - person who gave birth to pregnant person
aunt- sibling of pregnant person.

AssassinatedBeauty oh yes of course! Sorry I thought that was a given from my response

thecolour exactly. Once again women are being turned into a subset. I suppose the problem the BMA is trying to anticipate is that medical professionas may not be aware that the woman to whom they are providing medical care identifies as a man; not least because they will be dealing with her innately female reproductive function and organs.

The correct way IMO is to call a patient by their name.

One of the more annoying things about parenthood for me is I ceased to be called by my name and referred to as "Mum" - never seemed to hold as true for DH.

Like a a pp complained when DH has taken them to medical things or even school things he is constantly questioned about my whereabouts.

I do wonder what's behind the change if there is someone's agenda though I'm wondering if pregnant person was chosen so they they can start writing pp or double p - perhaps pp could start meaning perpetual pain - or panicked person - perhaps it a conspiracy to make medical notes more obscure.

I can't imagine sitting around at an NHS maternity class (maybe they're not called that anymore) and the midwife saying, 'after the birth, the post partum person may wish to feed the infant colostrum.'

Maybe the BMA could address that issue by the trans man notifying the medical professional of their identity, how they wish to be addressed etc, this could be recorded on their notes and respected by professionals?

Sadly you'd think that would be standard approach - though HCP and school have had enough trouble understanding DSis has different surname from her DD - something that is hardly uncommon these days.

I've just had a look at the document and it does seem to be guidance for internal use - e.g. in memos, emails, committee minutes etc.

The guidance on pregnancy says:

"A large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women."

The only possible response to this, surely, is: "No shit".

It's followed by:

"We can include intersex men and transmen who may get pregnant by saying ‘pregnant people’ instead of ‘expectant mothers’."

It's no doubt well-intentioned. But also a little crazy.

Father would be - person who provided sperm for making of a person and who intends to take a parental role?

Not all fathers provide sperm.

Not all mother's give birth either.

Actually a good point about how many health professionals still ask about Husbands and the like. You are right, few will actually do this. Where it might have an impact is on pamphlets and leaflets. In which case we need to get stickers made up saying mother, that we can easily put over any mention of person, in relation to pregnant person.

I do understand why "Mum" gets used.

Though they often have notes right in front of them but I have never got impolite with anyone for doing it.

However I have noticed they often do check what DH name is before addressing him or managed to talk without a label or name to him - even my DH who tends not to notice things has noticed this phenomenon.

And while I understand I found it did add to a feeling at times that my identity was being lost under the Mum role.

Surely this is just part of more general shift in society to use neutral language? It's not necessarily a deep implicit statement about trans politics!

But why should those of us that know what we are have our genders stripped from us? I have no issue whatsoever with people that choose to be or identify as whatever they want, but I also think those of us that are what we are should also be afforded the same courtesy and not be mass labelled as some generic, neutral term.

Not all fathers provide sperm because they are unable to do so but their partners get pregnant by sperm donation.

Think again Jazz