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Donald Trump, the first week is BAD. What next? Come all ye Beautifuls!

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Roussette · 25/01/2017 13:46

Here we are!

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InformalRoman · 27/01/2017 10:06

Lweji Looking at the trade deficit breakdown, the US imports more than 10 billion in oil, so maybe they could invest in renewable energies and reduce the deficit that way? Maybe?

Trump is looking to make the US energy self sufficient and already Wyoming is looking to force utility companies to buy energy from either existing hydroelectric or fossil fuel sources.

www.environews.tv/012417-wyoming-gop-introduces-bill-penalizes-outlaws-wind-solar-energy/

“Sound energy policy begins with the recognition that we have vast untapped domestic energy reserves right here in America. The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own … The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.”

And Trump's advisers at the anti-climate change Heritage Foundation are suggesting massive budget cuts that "at the Department of Energy would roll back funding for nuclear physics and advanced scientific computing research to 2008 levels, eliminate the Office of Electricity, eliminate the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and scrap the Office of Fossil Energy, which focuses on technologies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions."

www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/1/19/14324412/perry-energy-research-trump

squishysquirmy · 27/01/2017 10:24

Trump probably plans to replace some of the Mexican oil imports with coal.
Informal: Shock those plans! That goes way beyond even promoting fossil fuels over renewables, but actually undermines efforts to make fossil fuels cleaner and more efficient.

MoonriseKingdom · 27/01/2017 10:36

www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/01/27/elon-musk-donald-trump-rex-tillerson/%3Fsource%3Ddam?client=safari

This my only hope for the environment. Donald Trump has what seems a rather unexpected friendship with Elon Musk. Tesla are at the forefront of developing electric cars and the battery technology that goes with it. I hope he can be a positive influence.

BigBadgers · 27/01/2017 10:41

Is it actually possible for the USA to be energy self sufficient on fossil fuels and existing hydro electrics alone?

BigBadgers · 27/01/2017 10:46

To answer my own question i have found this article. To summarise, it probably is possible, but probably not worth the effort...At least that is how I am reading it with my limited understanding of these things.

ourworld.unu.edu/en/energy-self-sufficiency-a-realistic-goal-or-a-pipe-dream

squishysquirmy · 27/01/2017 10:54

I think it is possible Bigbadgers, but only due to massive improvements in technology (which make extraction of awkwardly placed, sized and shaped reserves possible that weren't before) and increased efficiency. And shale gas, which is an industry that needs vastly improved regulation in the US.
These projections were made before Trump's rise to power, however, and are based on assumptions which will no longer be true.
www.oilandgas360.com/bp-energy-outlook-united-states-likely-self-sufficient-oil-2030s/
www.ft.com/content/1871d6ba-4201-11e1-a1bf-00144feab49a

If they want to be self sufficient, they should be investing in R & D, and if they want it to be safe they should be writing very careful, sensible regulations.

squishysquirmy · 27/01/2017 10:54

Crossposted!

squishysquirmy · 27/01/2017 10:57

That link is much more interesting than my ones BigBadgers, thanks.

Lweji · 27/01/2017 11:26

undermines efforts to make fossil fuels cleaner and more efficient
Exactly

BigBadgers · 27/01/2017 11:40

Surely there is also an issue of how long it will last if they are reliant on just the fossil fuels they have. It seems a bit short-term.

I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but the BBC have done a factcheck article on the voter fraud allegations. A really nice short summary of Trump's allegations and why it is bollocks.
ourworld.unu.edu/en/energy-self-sufficiency-a-realistic-goal-or-a-pipe-dream

BigBadgers · 27/01/2017 11:40

Gah, wrong link: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38744612

ZebraOwl · 27/01/2017 11:41

Do we think Trump's so keen on fossil fuels as it lets him be close to other dinosaurs?

BigBadgers · 27/01/2017 11:44

Perhaps he is a believer in cremation and feels the dinosaurs should be given a proper send off so their souls can ascend to dinoheaven.

MycatsaPirate · 27/01/2017 11:53

It's quite heartening to see American's starting to panic that they are going to have to pay out for the wall via the import tax. Seemingly everything from car parts to fresh fruit is imported from Mexico and the USA are pretty reliant on them for a lot of things.

I also watched a video about the existing wall and the border. Not only is there already yuge! amounts of security at the border control but there are drones patrolling the border, a blimp and SUV's who all patrol up and down the existing wall. The rest of the border encompasses the river, a massive desert (where people are frequently found dead) and private land owners (who don't want a fucking big wall on their land).

Interestingly some 240,000 illegal weapons make their way from the USA to Mexico every year via the tunnels and smuggling.

Mainly people in America appear to be pissed off and want the money spent on schools and roads.

Spudlet · 27/01/2017 12:07

We could have those car parts, and use them to revitalise places like Coventry, where we used to make cars...

Just saying, Mrs May! Grin

Spudlet · 27/01/2017 12:07

...a blimp...

I think you will find he is in the White House Grin

AcrossthePond55 · 27/01/2017 14:02

The thing that most of your run of the mill Trump-ites do not realize is that his anti-import 'America First' policies are going to send prices soaring and that most of them will no longer be able to afford the 'luxuries' that cheap foreign imports allow them to have. And that they are going to pay dearly for 'necessities' like homes, autos, and appliances. If I were to be counseling a young person on business opportunities, I'd tell them this might be a good time to try and start a 'fix-it' business. Remember when your parents used to take that broken toaster, radio, or TV to the fix-it shop downtown? Yeah, those days will be back.

We'll probably be OK on foodstuffs as we do have the capability and land to produce the 'basics', but bye bye to that cheap out of season fruit from Mexico and South America.

More of Trump's 'take us back to the '50s' plan where rich white men ruled the world.

merrymouse · 27/01/2017 14:22

RE: Mexico paying for the wall.

“I’m just telling you there will be a payment," Trump said. "It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form."

It's not surprising that Trump thinks he can come up with some convoluted explanation. He has sold a lot of rubbish in his time - MLM schemes, Trump university.

Lweji · 27/01/2017 14:29

I was quite entertained when I got a comedy show instead of news at lunch.

There was this orange guy saying that he and the Mexican President had both decided to cancel their meeting. And that it would stay cancelled unless Mexico started treating the US with the respect the US deserves.
Grin

PS - orange guy, if you want to be respected show some respect for yourself and for others.

Roussette · 27/01/2017 14:38

"A form, a complicated form" = I haven't got a clue how I'll do it but listen y'all I always get what I want.

Might work in business Trump - much harder in Politics you fat fool.

Slapping 20% on £303billion worth of imports from mexico will hit the American man in the street bigly. Fruit, veg, cars, computers, beer, the list is endless. 6 million jobs depend on trade with Mexico and they will be in jeopardy.

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merrymouse · 27/01/2017 14:48

Much of Trump's business success has relied on fooling some of the people some of the time - his books, his brand, his reality TV show.

However, he struggles with the concept that you can't fool all of the people all of the people all of the time.

Spudlet · 27/01/2017 14:54

A lot of Trumpettes are going to feel this, I suspect. And where will these jobs come from? There may be short term construction jobs coming from the Dakota pipeline - although the damage it will do is immense. But long term, that particular example project is only likely to create a small number of jobs - I've seen 50 bandied about as a figure. So then what? None of this is sustainable, in any sense of the word Confused

Destinysdaughter · 27/01/2017 15:05

Pics of MayTrump's love children...Shock

Donald Trump, the first week is BAD.  What next?  Come all ye Beautifuls!