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Donald Trump, the first week is BAD. What next? Come all ye Beautifuls!

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Roussette · 25/01/2017 13:46

Here we are!

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ZebraOwl · 26/01/2017 09:19

It's from back when Trump was elected, but Aodhán Ó Ríordáin gave an amazing speech in the [Irish] Senate about the fact Trump wasn't fit to run a bath never mind a country. (I paraphrase...). Sorry if it's already been posted on one of the previous threads, I did have a wee look & didn't see it, but tbh even if it has, I think it is highly rewatchable. Yes.

Bensyster · 26/01/2017 09:20

Marking my place on this beautiful thread.

SanFranBear · 26/01/2017 09:23

Ex president of Mexico not mincing his words here Grin

Donald Trump, the first week is BAD.  What next?  Come all ye Beautifuls!
Spudlet · 26/01/2017 09:24

America has lax regulations towards certain areas - what will US big pharma do to our NHS?

Animal welfare standards in the USA are not that great either - certainly as regards farm animals (and equines). It was one of the concerns around TTIP. (Apologies for banging on about animal welfare btw - I used to work for an equine welfare charity so it's something I'm kind of familiar with!). The UK govt has often banged on about having great animal welfare standards compared to other countries (true in some respects I guess - although we're not quite as marvellous as they make out!) but I wouldn't hold out too much hope for them in the twin wakes of Brexit and Trump.

I know it's a small thing set against the human impacts. But it's a problem, nonetheless.

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 09:26

Can you imagine the English press if Scotalnd told us they were building a border wall to stop "illegal immigration" from England and expected England to pay for it?

(I was going to use France but there's the sea. Or Ireland. But I chose Scotland)

I bet the English Press would be in uproar.

BigBadgers · 26/01/2017 09:27

Exactly Spartacus. This is what gets me so much when people say 'trump isn't Hitler' or 'but he's the democratic leader'. Hitler was voted in fair and square. At a time when there was genuine hardship after the reperations imposed on Germany from WWl he came and told everyone what they wanted to hear. He told them he would make their country great again, that he would build the economy, provide jobs, that their hardship was the fault of corrupt foriegn powers and minorities. He did not explicitly say he was going to send the Jews to camps and gas them, he talked of keeping people safe from dangerous groups. I remember when I was at school studying WW2 my history teacher saying that if she had been german, unable to buy a loaf of bread because the price goes up between leaving home and reaching the shop, and she heard Hitler talk she properly would have voted for him to.

He started off with promises and then made the German people afraid of the 'other' and gave them the space to turn a blind eye to what was being done. After the war ended lots of people used 'just following orders' or 'but I didn't know what was really happening' as excuses for not standing up to him.

Trump is saying he supports torture, he is talking about reopening camps on and off American soil, he is building walls and calling immigrants murderers and rapists. He is talking about foriegn powers bringing the great American dream down and building up the military. How much more explicit to people want him to be before they realise what his is doing and where that can lead? Can they really be so blind or do they just chose not to see?

SoTheySentMeA · 26/01/2017 09:27

Hopkins was going to move to the US if he won, yes. Interestingly she didnt make good on that claim. She can fuck right off.

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 09:28

The UK govt has often banged on about having great animal welfare standards compared to other countries

yes - that was a big thing when it came to leaving the EU, wasn't it. Taking back control over our standards.

It would be mean us going back on our principles if the USA told us to accept meat of a lower standard in turn for access to their market.

Who'd have control over UK farms then?

Words can come back to haunt you

SanFranBear · 26/01/2017 09:30

Zebra - that senator is amazing and I hope his message got through. I have so much respect for intelligent, passionate people.

BigBadgers · 26/01/2017 09:32

I think how we treat our animals says a lot about us and how we will treat people, particularly those who are unable to stand up for themselves. It is an important indication of empathy and priorities of a people.

Roussette · 26/01/2017 09:37

I watched that vid before Zebra yes yes yes to such passion about Trumper and his nasty ways and shaming his colleagues for turning a blind eye

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PausingFlatly · 26/01/2017 09:40

Wow. Thank you for that clip of Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, ZebraOwl. I hadn't seen it.

Also, 50,000 Irish illegal immigrants in the US, did Ó Ríordáin say? Blimey. That's interesting in the light of Trump's vilifying of Mexicans. Do you think he's planning to deport Irish people at the same rate as Mexicans? Or as other groups he likes to hate?

And would it have any affect on the Irish economy if 50,000 deported people arrived?

Sorry, side issue. But interesting to look at some of the blether about migration through an Irish lens.

merrymouse · 26/01/2017 09:44

bigbadgers, let's also not forget that Hitler thought Britain could be be an ally and plenty of British people in positions of power agreed with him.

BigBadgers · 26/01/2017 09:44

I think I have just developed a bit of a crush on Aodhán Ó Ríordáin. Gosh, I might have to go have a lie down after watching that Wink

Spudlet · 26/01/2017 09:44

I didn't know that about 50,000 Irish illegal immigrants either - really interesting. I guess that the Trumpers don't mind them though, because they speak English and are mostly white 😐

saffronwblue · 26/01/2017 09:44

Article about how Trump's entire top team are using a private server for their emails and Trump's phone is unsecured...
www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/25/1625061/-Trump-s-top-staffers-have-their-own-private-email-server-Trump-is-still-using-his-unsecured-phone

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 09:45

Do you think he's planning to deport Irish people at the same rate as Mexicans? Or as other groups he likes to hate

Now that's a question for the press briefing room.

Will the President want to deport all undocumented illegal immigrants in the USA?

If so, there are 50,000 illegal Irish imigrants. When will they be deported?

If you are going to have a policy, stick to it. If not, justify it and be prepared to be challenged on discrepancies.

PausingFlatly · 26/01/2017 09:45

Make America Great Again - but only for the right sort of Americans.

That's why that clip of "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" is so chilling. Who gets to be the "me"?

SanFranBear · 26/01/2017 09:45

I'm hoping this link will work:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1094458860679536&id=100003462970606

It shows a list of all the things that the Emperor has done since the night before the inauguration that just don't sit right. Includes all the censorship, exec orders and random tweets.

It is shockingly long considering we're not even a full week post inauguration yet Sad

nigelforgotthepassword · 26/01/2017 09:45

Scary week.

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 09:47

This is why history and literature are so important to study at school.

And it's worrying when the Government dictates what history to learn and what books should be read.

Dictate history lessons and dictate the books that must be studied and that leaves only those who want to explore to find out more.

You can't burn the internet. You can burn books.

PausingFlatly · 26/01/2017 09:48

Article about how Trump's entire top team are using a private server for their emails and Trump's phone is unsecured...

I'll wait for the outrage from the "But Hillary's evil because servers" team about that.

And wait.

And wait.

Spudlet · 26/01/2017 09:49

Spoilers!

It's a bit like Theon in Game of Thrones, isn't it? The American vote I mean. He wasn't evil really, but he made one bad decision and that led to him having to make another, then another, and he ended up so far from how he started that he was murdering little children without ever really having meant to get to that point. Things just snowballed from that one, first, poor decision.

Let's hope America can pull it back before Ramsey Bolton (I'm seeing Putin in this role) cuts their collective cock off...

BigBadgers · 26/01/2017 09:49

Exactly merry. Surely these events are exactly what rememberance day is all about. Why every year we stand and refuse to forget. It was recognised after the war that is is too easy to think 'it can't happen now'. We have to remember that it can, that it is easy. We need to stand up to trump and in doing so make sure that this doesn't leak into UK politics. We have to be prepared to call out people who stand aside or support him for their own ends on both sides of the pond.

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 09:51

Salami tactics
Death by 1000 slices
Boiling the frog.

Salami tactics are interesting. This is an example from Yes Prime Minister about the tactics and when to press the nuclear missile button.