To refuse eating or buying anything halal?

[ClaryIsTheBest]

Is somebody unreasonable to refuse to buy or eat anything halal?

I'm not sure. I mean, everybody gets to choose what they want to eat (or not eat). But still...

Lark Lane in Liverpool is an example.
Many of the restaurants in the area serve halal meat, but not non halal meat.

One road in Liverpool

What gets me about the halal/non-halal argument is that people always claim that they won't eat halal because of the slaughter methods used, but then go very quiet when it's pointed out that they don't generally differ from the methods used for non-halal meat. And most of them eat in Indian restaurants without batting an eyelid. I find it very difficult to believe that all the opponents really don't know the truth about slaughter methods, so you have to wonder whether the reality is that they somehow think the meat is dirty or that they'll catch Islam from it.

Animals are not stunned before they are killed and have their throats slit and are aware as the convulse and bleed to death.

They ARE stunned first.

Seriously if you have moral objections to something at least check your facts first.

megatherium have you noticed that comments from those that work in the meat industry or seeing animals being slaughtered, get conveniently ignored.

Lark lane is an area full of restaurants - I gave it as an example because it there are so many restaurants there.
Liverpool city centre is an example too. If you go in to a restaurant and ask if the meat is halal they say yes (can't remember last one that said no), if you don't want halal meat they offer fish or vegetarian as an option.
I don't eat meat, but I have been out with friends / colleagues who don't eat halal slaughtered meat.

but I have been out with friends / colleagues who don't eat halal slaughtered meat.

Maybe you should educate them as they wouldn't appear to be in full possession of the facts

From what I am aware - they are not religious and don't want to eat meat prepared under ritualistic slaughter. Another colleague is Jewish and doesn't eat halal as she is kosher.
I don't think that is unreasonable to be fair.

Ritualistic? You pressing the 'play' button!

cherry yes they should have been reared in a human way. Cared for as if they were a family pet and given a good life. We must look after them as they are a special gift given to us by God. If you received a precious gift from a good friend or loved one would you not take utmost care of it? Well it is the same for us but with animals. X

But ofcourse all these things no matter halal or not you can't be 100% sure. Do you know how the chickens in the supermarket were looked after. Saying I eat only organic means bugger all

Ritual rather than ritualistic!

OK BillSykesDog do you think kosher slaughter should be forbidden? Yes or No?

And would you accep0t Israeli pharmceuticals which might save your life? Yes or No?

As I said, anybody saying he's intolerant/a bigot hopefully says the same about a Muslim that wouldn't... go to a gay bar, for example

As I said right at the beginning, of they had a reasonable reason (serves alcohol) rather than bigotry then fine.

And your rant about homophobia... Saudi isn't exactly kind to women but I don't see how my boycotting the lovely restaurant down the road is going to affect women's rights. Because Muslim doesn't equal bigot. Boycotting a restaurant based on religion may, though.

megatherium have you noticed that comments from those that work in the meat industry or seeing animals being slaughtered, get conveniently ignored.

Too true.

I'm a vegan for animal welfare reasons, and I think that all animal slaughter is awful. Some halal meat is stunned and some isn't. I don't see a difference between stunned halal meat and non-halal meat on welfare grounds. However, Denmark has banned unstunned halal and kosher meat, and I think we should do the same. If an animal is going to be hung upside down and have its throat slit until it bleeds to death, then it should be stunned first.

According to the Full Fact website:
"he Food Standards Agency say that in 2012 of those animals slaughtered in the UK according to halal rules 84% of cattle or calves, 81% of sheep and goats, and 88% of poultry were stunned before slaughter. But some of the meat sold may come from slaughterhouses abroad, meaning its not clear precisely how much of the halal meat sold in UK shops and restaurants has been stunned."

Look I am muslim. But don't paint us all with the same brush. I know most Muslims who hate Saudi Arabia. And the way they live and function is not islam. The quran actually supports women. And the right to keep their own money, have an opinion and we do not serve men. People just need to educate themselves a bit more. Any women who are oppressed are oppressed by their culture or people without proper knowledge on islam

Also the prophet Muhammad's first wife was a business woman and he worked for her! So yeah take what you want from that. Islam teaches that women actually have more rights then men. A woman can go to work and has the right to keep every penny she earns. Whereas the male must pay for everything In their marriage. She may contribute if she wishes.

But this is getting off topic. That was for the comment about women not being treated fairly

Your diet will be quite limited with no fruit and veg and only alcohol to drink. And no fish either.

I think we underedatand the OP meant halal slaughtered meat - rather than not eat or drink anything that is accepted as halal...

harshbuttrue1980

I agree

It's fine to refuse Halal meat, just as it is acceptable for someone to insist upon it. I wouldn't knowingly buy it, although let's face it after the scandal the other year who really knows what is in our food or how it came to be there.

I think that Halal meat should be clearly labelled and that restaurants which refuse to serve normal meat should be clearly labelled as such (in the case of takeaways this is often the case, they are proud of it, but it's less guaranteed the larger the chain gets!).

It's not so much about the cruelty aspect, I really don't care if it means that the meat tastes good and isn't too expensive, it's more the fact that I don't think it is right that my food is only allowed to be slaughtered by a person of a certain religion. In my view, the job of slaughtering animals should go to the best qualified regardless of what religion they belong to.

I have eaten Halal meat in the past - until about five years ago I had no idea of what it meant, aside from it being "something to do with Muslims". But like anything, knowledge is the key to being able to make an educated decision. Buy it if you like, refuse to buy it if you like, and tolerate other people's decisions.

harsh I agree. But most restaurants will have bought meat in the UK. They will have a butcher they buy from. Anything from outside the UK is probably in a supermarket and restaurants can't afford to buy from there and it doesn't make sense. There wouldn't be enough meat for them to cook. Most will buy from the source. So a farm or slaughterhouse and like you said 84% in the UK stun. So I would say the majority of halal restaurants follow he welfare guidelines.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/perhaps-your-concern-could-extend-to-not-eating-us-say-chickens-2014050786319