To refuse eating or buying anything halal?

[ClaryIsTheBest]

Is somebody unreasonable to refuse to buy or eat anything halal?

I'm not sure. I mean, everybody gets to choose what they want to eat (or not eat). But still...

Kosher slaughter (same as halal, different prayers also attracts objections, and is banned in some countries. Halal or kosher slaughter does not define previous welfare standards.

Eating meat means dead animal. Shot, throat cut, electrocuted. I don't think anyone is sure which is most humane.

Don't like it? You know what to do.

In some cases it's a political statement, right?

Umm, what is the statement?

I believe that most takeaways use halal meat to maximise potential customers.

Just because supermarket meat isn't labelled Halal, it doesn't mean it's not Halal. Perfectly legal to kill some animals the Halal way and label half as Halal and the other half as standard meat.

I turned veggie 30 years ago because of the welfare issue and the amount of crap out into 'meat'. I buy meat now for DS who can and will eat anything, so opt for organic and ones with a good welfare rating (ikkkle lambies frolicking through the fields before leaping onto the plate).

My vegetarian and vegan food is often marked as Halal.

If that bothered anyone then their motivations would be pretty clear, wouldn't it.

When you into a restaurant do you check that their meat comes from slaughterhouses that treated the animals with love and rainbows?

If you do not want to eat anything halal, do you plan to eat only meat? I am pretty sure vegetables and grains and so on are all halal and kosher, so ...

Yes, it would be unreasonable; you would get loads of health problems in the long run. Perhaps if you hunt and eat what's in the animals' gut, you can survive on that diet for a bit longer ...

I personally do buy organic meat, yes.

But we're not talking about my own dietary choices.

I myself actually have a somewhat 'unusual' diet, so I really wouldn't want to exclude anybody for their choices. And I would eat in a halal restaurant to prevent this. But when going to the halal restaurant would automatically exlude somebody else... well, then I'm stumped.

Eating meat means dead animal. Shot, throat cut, electrocuted. I don't think anyone is sure which is most humane.

There might not be a consensus as to which is more humane, but it's perfectly acceptable to have your own line as to what is acceptable. You can have you own ethical standards for everything you eat - it's allowed! Happy to eat meat that's electrocuted, don't want to eat meat that's been bludgeoned with a plank, fine! Your choice. See also why it's ridiculous to say you aren't allowed to make personal ethical choices about the food you consume unless you're prepared to be a vegan.

So... dp eats meat but doesn't want to knowingly eat anything that's been bled to death, possibly whilst conscious. Okay, no?

Hi OP I'm not sure if you mean unreasonable to eat halal or not? Your thread title co radicals your first post... typo? Anyway no I don't think anyone is unreasonable in either scenario.

When you say you're not sure how to go to lunch with these people what do you mean? Are you embarrassed they make a fuss?

Co radicals? Contradicts.

Errol and Can'tchoose the chances are that the vast majority of people have bought unlabelled unstunned kosher (Schechita) meat.

As only the front half of the in-stunned slaughtered animal is considered kosher, the back half is packaged up and sold as regular meat. Inhumane and disingenuous. At least you don't have that problem with halal - just a bad rep for meat that is in the most part humane.

The religious significance of a meat product bears little relation to it 'humaneness' - halal meat is usually stunned. 'Regular' meat could be unstunned animals slaughtered for the kosher market.

Unless we have accurate labelling of stun/non-stunned, it's impossible to tell.

So, wait:

I think everybody has a right to decide what they want to eat.
I myself eat meat (although organic if possible...)
I'm struggling to decide whether somebody's political or animal welfare concerns should trump somebody's religious reasons for insisting on halal.

Any Muslims in here...:
Going to a kosher restaurant?
Going to a vegetarian one? Would that be ok in your opinion for most Muslims or...?

Well, YABU to say you will never eat 'anything' halal. You wouldn't survive very long without water for example.

Well unless the Halal restaurant didn't have any vegetarian options, than the only political statement the person would be making is that they wouldn't want to support a business that served a certain religion. The person I would be judging wouldn't be the restaurant owner.

Op, I can't quite get what you are trying to say.

Do you mean that you want to go out with some friends and one friend is refusing to go to a certain restaurant because the meat is Halal?
You are trying to work out if the friend is objecting on moral grounds or if they are just a bigoted bellend.

Shooot: my initial post was meant to say:

Is somebody unreasonable to refuse to buy or eat anything halal?

I'm not sure. I mean, everybody gets to choose what they want to eat (or not eat). But still...

So embarrassed... sorry!

I think your doctor might object to you boycotting all vegetables. But assuming you're only talking about halal meat, the only way to guarantee that the meat you eat in the UK is not halal is to stick to pork.

However if you are genuinely concerned about animal welfare issues then buying RSPCA Assured/Freedom Food approved meat is a start - once it's stunned the animal really doesn't care how it's killed or who is reciting what prayer.

If the friend could come up with a reason they didn't want to eat in a halal restaurant that didn't involve prejudice against Muslims, I'd listen. But I can't think of one. Since halal meat is raised in the U.K. in much the same way as every other kind of meat, I'd struggle to sympathize.

Vegetarian restaurant?

Oh and my Muslim friends generally just eat the vegi option to be on the safe side.

Specialsubject I suggest you do some reading - Schechita slaughtering is not quite the same as halal, and there is an enormous body of scientific evidence on humane slaughter methods - yes humane slaughter can be measured. YOU may have no idea which is the most humane, but some of the rest of us do - and there are a number of experts out there.

The Humane Slaughter Association has some good resources if you want to learn.

DesolateWaist

Yes!! Exactly.

Thanks :)!

And most vegans/Muslims I know are quite happy to go to most restaurants as they've long learnt to be as flexible as possible. I even know a vegetarian Muslim who happily eats in the local church cafe and no one cares. The only person I know with a keen preference is my non-religious, clean eating friend who is a complete pain as you never know what food is currently evil

I also do my best to eat clean. It's really important imo :)

So... respect everybody and go vegetarian? Or is kosher allowed for Muslims?