To refuse eating or buying anything halal?

[ClaryIsTheBest]

Is somebody unreasonable to refuse to buy or eat anything halal?

I'm not sure. I mean, everybody gets to choose what they want to eat (or not eat). But still...

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But the Muslim people making his food are not the same people who are oppressing gay rights. It's like saying that the Westboro Baptists represent all Christians.

Desolatewaste; never said I object to halal meat. The honest truth is, I don't care either way. I eat non halal, for no particular reason, and if others choose to eat or not eat halal, it's entirely their choice. The point I was making was that someone jumps on the thread labelling those who object to eating Halal meat as bigots. Bit of a sweeping generalisation, and totally unnecessary, as I guess here are many reasons people choose not to eat Halal meat, and not all of them will justify them being labelled as bigots.

However if someone was motivated by religious bigotry I'd find that unacceptable.

so its religious bigotry not to want to eat meat blessed by a faith contradictory to your own is it? It is blessed for religious reasons, and it is refused for religeous reasons, how is one bigotry and one not? That smacks of religious bigotry in itself!

Interesting how NO one ever objects to Kosher meat on welfare grounds

why do you say that? Lots of people do, Jews and non jews.

But you are not likely to find yourself eating kosher meat unlabelled and mainstream.

I don't see the whole angst over eating halal or non halal meat. Surely if you eat meat, you have no problem with eating animals that have been slaughtered so does it really matter what method has been chosen to kill it?!
My local pizza place advertises its meat as halal. Does it put me off eating it? No. It's all just meat to me and I'll happily eat my meat feast pizza whether it's halal or not.

Firstly, ffs, proof-read your first post!
Secondly, read the replies a little more assiduously so that you realise way before forty odd posts later that your OP contains a fundamental error of meaning.
Thirdly, there was no need to mention that your halal refusnik friend is gay.
You both come across as bigots. And a bit thick too, if that isn't a tautology....

Nothing wrong with not wanting to eat halal. Especially if you're of a different religion.

Interesting link Lego although I was upset by their spelling of yoghurt. No idea that vanilla isn't halal.

Do you know whether the other meat you buy involves stunning or not. If you don't then this is purely prejudice - pre-judging. They might whisper a bit of the Quran but that makes no difference to the suffering involved unless you know how slaughterhouses work in the first place.

So, idk.

I feel like I kind of understand where he may come from.

But his reasons are personal and in his opinion not divine, right? So, I feel more emotionally inclined to cater to the religious person. But I'm not sure that's justified...

So, kosher or vegetarian. Awesome, thanks :)

So, your 'gay friend' prefaced his objection to halal food with 'As a gay man...' ? So, is he basically saying he doesn't want to eat halal food because he's incorrectly decided that all Muslims hate gay people?

Yes, some Muslims are anti-gay. Plenty aren't. Some Christians are also anti-gay - rabidly so, in fact. Does he refuse to eat Easter eggs and Christmas pudding as well?

I personally wouldn't pander to that particular objection. If he doesn't want to go to the restaurant, he doesn't have to come. It's his problem, not yours.

Nothing wrong with not wanting to eat halal.
Agreed. Eat it, don't eat it. You don't need to ask/tell everyone.

Rspca says 84% of halal meat is stunned before slaughter. Their report, which recommends all animals are stunned before slaughter is interesting and covers both halal and kosher. I would prefer labelling to say if the animal had been stunned or not as the best available evidence suggests the animal has less pain if stunned. Buying halal at the moment makes me feel there is a 16% risk of the animal not having been stunned. I believe new zealand halal meat is all pre stunned by law so I would be happy with a new zealand halal lamb.

Nothing wrong with not wanting to eat halal. Especially if you're of a different religion.

As a vegetarian atheist that seems like madness to me.

I'm off to read Harry Potter to my quorn.

Pizza Express chicken is halal.

Lots of London Nando's only sell halal chicken.

Having done lots of research into this for work, there is not one way as requirements are interpreted differently by different manufacturers.

Cross posted with your explanation of why mentioning his sexuality was relevant.
I'm out. This thread is doing my head in.

Nothing gets people as excited as a halal v non-halal debate, or a big news story about an animal being killed. The rest of the time people don't seem at all bothered about what happens to animals.

does kind of belittle the persecution and treatment of gays in many Muslims countries

Gays are persecuted in many Christian countries too.

So, kosher or vegetarian. Awesome, thanks

Like I said though, most of my vegan and vegetarian food is marked as halal. If he has a problem with it then he needs to think about that too.

I don't understand how by not eating halal he is proving a point to homophobes. How does he know the guy he buys petrol from isn't homophobic? Or the woman who sits next to him at work? Or the people in the cafe he eats at lunchtime and hands his money over to?

Garden. [Grin] yeah it's exactly like your brownie leader. It's just like saying thanks.

The issue people seem to have is not about the fact it is halal. But if it has been stunned or not. So if people thought about it properly being halal isn't the issue but if it has been stunned or not.

To be halal the animals must have been treated kindly up until it's death and must be killed in a humane way. If the animal has been mistreated or hurt, caged, beaten etc then it is not halal before a prayer has even been said.

Oh ffs. How many times does this topic need to be repeated?

If you buy supermarket chicken, you're buying halal meat
'Standard' halal meat (ie not bought from specialist butchers) is made Halal by a loud speaker playing the holy words over the slaughterhouse floor

The chickens are hoisted up by their feet, dipped into electrified water to stun then and then dragged over a spinning blade to kill them. All while listening to a bit of Arabic.

Most of the chickens then get packaged as supermarket own brand but some of them will get labelled as Halal and sold as such.

But it's the same meat from the same production line.

If you don't like it, buy organic

And I don't know where this guy issue came from. Plenty of non religious people are anti gay. We don't think being gay is correct but I'm not judging you if you are. You are free to live as you wish. Again nothing to do with me and does not bother me in the slightest

Oh I see well that changes it slightly - of course it's your friend's right to eat / not eat whatever he likes however if he says it's on the grounds of him being gay then he's trying to make another point - quite misguided and strange - but this thread really isn't about halal/non-halal in that case...

I'd just let him choose the restaurant and ignore this bonkers point of view wherever possible.