This is bullshit :- brexit

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-supreme-court-ruling-judges-defy-theresa-may-and-hand-power-to-parliament-a7542406.html

I can see the MP voting to stay in.

Theresa's got a choice. She can hide under a duvet or get on with it.

Deadsouls Thanks for explaining your comment.

But, Peregrina, even "you" do not understand how the EU works. MEPs do not make laws in the EU and they do not run it either. Herein lies the democratic deficit. MEPs debate and vote on proposed legislation but their deliberations are merely advisory - just like the referendum. The commission (unelected) proposes a bill. The bill is debated by parliament (elected) but the vote to pass the bill into law is taken by the Council of Europe, which is made up of Finance Ministers from all the 28 countries. Therein lies the actual power - not in the EU Parliament. EU Parliament is toothless. Members of the Council of Europe may use Parliament's deliberations and voting patterns to guide them as to which way to vote but more often than not they are guided by what the commission thinks is right as they are not always au fait with the issues at hand being busy finance ministers in their respective countries and they only meet 4 times a year to rubber stamp legislation.

Babba
that's interesting, and not dissimilar to parliament. Watching how Greece was treated I was appalled. It is, like most attempts at democracy hugely flawed.

In all honesty the EU may will disappear in next few years, it has a million failings, but it's all we have right now between peace, humanity and relative economic security and the opposite.

Triggering a50 is not about the EU. It's about how that decision was arrived at. And what sort of country this is whose premier fawns to a fascist for trade deals.

Because of Jo Cox's murder, because of the terror MPs feel right now to vote with their consciences as representatives not delegates, because the bill to trigger is insultingly short, because barely a week is being allowed to debate an issue and institution which has taken 40 years to evolve, this process is not being conducted in a democratic manner.

Triggering a50 is not just about the EU it is about real free humane democracy.

I'm not sure that Babba is right there though - the European Parliament has decision making powers.

The EU’s standard decision-making procedure is known as 'Ordinary Legislative Procedure’ (ex "codecision"). This means that the directly elected European Parliament has to approve EU legislation together with the Council (the governments of the 28 EU countries).

The European Parliament and the Council of the European Union (which is composed of government ministers from each EU country, according to the policy area to be discussed) review proposals by the European Commission and propose amendments (1st reading). If the Council and the Parliament cannot agree upon amendments, a 2nd reading takes place.

In the 2nd reading, the Parliament and Council can again propose amendments. Parliament has the power to block the proposed legislation if it cannot agree with the Council. If the two institutions agree on amendments, the proposed legislation can be adopted.

If they cannot agree, a conciliation committee tries to find a solution. The Conciliation Committee, composed of an equal number of MEPs and Council representatives, tries to reach agreement on a joint text. If unsuccessful, the legislative act will not enter into force and the procedure is ended. If a joint text is agreed, it is forwarded to the European Parliament and Council for a 3rd reading.

At the 3rd reading the European Parliament and the Council examines the joint text and and the Parliament votes in plenary. Neither the Parliament nor the Council can change the wording of the joint text. If either body rejects it or fails to act on it, the act is not adopted and the procedure is ended. If it is approved by Parliament and Council, the act is adopted.

Once both European Parliament and Council have approved the final text of a legislative proposal, it is jointly signed by the Presidents and Secretaries General of both institutions. After signature, the texts are published in the Official Journal and become official.

If a legislative proposal is rejected at any stage of the procedure, or the Parliament and Council cannot reach a compromise, the proposal is not adopted and the procedure is ended. A new procedure can start only with a new proposal from the Commission.

www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/legislativeprocedure/default_en.htm

europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/decision-making/procedures_en

www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/20150201PVL00004/Legislative-powers

ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-european-parliament/

Council of the European Union - not to be confused with:

European Council - quarterly summits, where EU leaders meet to set the broad direction of EU policy making.

Council of Europe - not an EU body at all.

March in March 25th
www.uniteforeurope.org

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/labour-mps-commons-motion-article-50-bill-heidi-alexander

What a mess. And leading to polarisation. I have to say it is just so vague. To say the least of it.

Tough times ahead methinks for all sides.

A few tory remainers have now spoken out against Trump's Moslem ban.
It's playing badly in the Daily mail. May's silence is noted.

May sinks lower every day.

Theresa May held Trumps hand. YEEEUCK.

And she licked Erdorgan's ass. YEEEUCK.

But democracy rules, and the people have spoken. But who elected her as PM.

LOL.

A few tory remainers have now spoken out against Trump's Moslem ban.

Quite a few people have, or both the leave and remain sides.

This is something that can't be pigeon holed to a 'side'.

No one 'elected' May because we don't vote for presidents.

This is something that can't be pigeon holed to a 'side'.
Yes it can.

Why?

why not?

We should all be very grateful we live in a country where Parliament HAS to make big decisions like this. This is our democracy. This ruling is simply upholding the sovereignty of parliament.

Just glance over across the ocean to see what shit goes down when one person holds a LOT of power and can start passing laws without answering to anyone.

Hands up who would prefer Teresa May be given as much power over our country as Trump has over the US?

woman I believe the Conservative MP of Kurdish origin was a Leaver, and has strongly criticised Trump's policy (not least because his twin sons are at Princeton).

I'm very late on this, but Informal, thanks for the lucid run-down of EU decision-making.

I get so weary of the 'unelected bureaucrats' rhetoric and I think this is the clearest debunking I've seen on it.

Unsurprisingly Parliament voted it through as they should. Donald Trump's executive orders is exactly why this was such an important decision, it wasnt to me important because of Brexit it was important because one person should never have that kind of power