This is bullshit :- brexit

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I can see the MP voting to stay in.

18 pages in and we still have posters saying "I'm glad I voted leave - how dare the EU try and ban roast potatoes" and yet we aren't allowed to call leave voters idiots....?

My goodness, what an admission. So because some posters misunderstand something that means it's okay to call them stupid (hint- no it isn't, that's a personal attack and not allowed on MN) or it's okay to call all leave voters stupid?

I thought remainers were against bigotry and stereotyping ? Careful you don't let that caring, sharing inclusive mask slip too far there.

@FurryLittleTwerp

How do you pronounce Exit? Eggzit or Ekksit?

Lweji. Apologies. Not my intention. Got carried away. I am passionate that we have great people in this country and it could be better.

Hammond pretty much said in the autumn statement that austerity has come to an end.
NHS is a black hole. I am hoping that we get a new health secretary soon, with some positive options for change. I'm sure most of us agree that how it is run does need to change (without lining the pockets of private sector).

AnnabelC let me guess: you are patting yourself on the back, thinking that your exports, and those of your ilk, are going to be our saviour?

Can I ask how big those exports are, in monetary terms, per annum?

Can I also ask how you think exporters like you can plug the gap we will have in our finances when the financial services industry leaves in favour of Paris or Frankfurt? Here's a clue: we're talking numbers in the region of hundreds of billions of pounds. So I would be very, very relieved to hear that somebody has a plan to fill this gap. A few sides of smoked salmon and some Stilton isn't going to do that. What else can we make and successfully export on a large enough scale?

It should never have gone to a referendum in the first place.

It was like giving out hand grenades in a playground and expecting something good to happen.

How many people who voted to leave know the difference between the European Council, European Parliament and the European Commission?

How many of them understand the difference between the single market and the customs union?

How is it that we will still belong to the European Court of Human Rights even if we leave the EU and what is the difference between the European Court of Human Rights and the European Court of Justice?

I am afraid I think if you couldn't answer those basic questions correctly you should have been denied the right to vote!

It is a horrible mess and it will be the young generations who suffer the greatest consequences, many of whom were too young to vote, but better informed that some who did vote.

I am passionate that we have great people in this country and it could be better.

Yes, and you can be better within the EU too.

The government has been getting away with much by blaming the EU.
UK Research benefits from being in the EU. I know of no researcher who'd rather be out. Sure, you can still get some money, but as a minority partner. Not a major player.

The decision to leave Europe and the single market was decided by the majority of the electorate during June 2016!

I voted 'leave', and basically, (according to the remoaners), we voted the wrong way!

Since then, those who chose to remain in Europe have decided to undemocratically change the rules!

That is what this is all about. European leaders must be laughing their heads off at all the confusion caused by Clegg, Farron, Blair (oh! yes, he's back) et al. The great arbiter of peace!

If someone could tell me what is so great about Europe, I might be persuaded to listen! Is it the mass of people migrating to this country, driving down wages, using our generous resources, schools, hospitals, etc Our island is tiny compared to other countries. green belt is being built on, roads are crowded. There will be no green land left!

OK, it's not Europe's migration policy, it must be that we pay billions of pounds each year to prop up other European countries. And if we do too well, as we did last year. they demand another couple of billion.

Their obsessive rules on different things, the latest being toast and roast potatoes.

Next, they want a federal army ...

Now, I know why I (and the other majority) decided that the UK has always been a strong pioneering country, and will be stronger doing world deals.

Their obsessive rules on different things, the latest being toast and roast potatoes.

Oh Christ, not another one.

extra ekksit

the "x" sound is pronounced "ks" not "gz"

I am afraid I think if you couldn't answer those basic questions correctly you should have been denied the right to vote!

I don't think it's only a voter problem, but how the campaigns were run. They were not in the least informative, particularly for Brexit, but not only.

libra101

Well, we're not going to have a shortage of exclamation marks after Brexit. Not if you have anything to do with it, anyway.

Sorry not read the full thread but if they do vote to stay in I would like someone to come out and explain why they felt the need to waste so much money and time in the first place. They should have had this vote in private prior to the referendum to see what the true feeling in parliament was.

There will be no green land left!

There will be, it's not far from Canada.

Since then, those who chose to remain in Europe have decided to undemocratically change the rules!

You're missing the point. The rules were already there. The Referendum was a consultation, not a decision.
That's why the Supreme Court has ruled this way. Because legally the Parliament is supposed to vote, considering the result of the Referendum.

Otherwise it would be illegal.

The EU didn't do the research into potatoes and toast!

I would like someone to come out and explain why they felt the need to waste so much money and time in the first place. They should have had this vote in private prior to the referendum to see what the true feeling in parliament was.

Ah, you should ask Cameron, and essentially the Tories about it. :)

And May, who decided to act illegally in not asking for a Parliament vote in the first place.

Lweji yep! I think they need to be held accountable!

Don't worry about how much the EU gets how much has this bloody referendum flushed down the toilet!

I really don't see why Leavers are getting their knickers in such a twist; Parliament won't vote against it. This court case was all about proper democratic checks and balances.
And for this, Gina Miller gets all the death threats, and vilification from the cunts at the Sun and DM.

Actually I am just trying to be positive.

I can't stand David Cameron - just thought I would let you know :)
One thing that sticks in my mind... buying the wife a second NIssan Micra.
All over the news, the bloke he bought it off, took a pic etc.
Why on earth would Samantha Cameron be driving around in a second hand NIssan MIcra? She spends more money on a handbag than I earn in a month.
Nissan MIcra's are crap with no room in them. Anyway - I'm going on about the bloody car / we are just ordinary people stunt.
Anyway, can't stand him.

He did tell us that he would go to Juncker and co - and come back with a better deal. He didn't come back with a better deal, he was pretty much frozen out. Junker made no secret of his disdain for him, Cameron comes back with a face like a smacked arse.
Conservative MPs are reminding him that we can have a referendum if we don't get a good deal, so we get the referendum.
Prior to the result, I don't recall any outcry or demonstrations against it.
We had our say - and we said it.
Some people will have voted in ignorance (as always, on all sides), many didn't. Some people didn't vote at all, as they didn't know which side to vote on or they didn't care.

Libra

This thing about roast potatoes and toast: who told you, or where did you read, that this has come from the EU?

I think the UK sleepwalked into the referendum TBH.

Then the result came in.

If someone could tell me what is so great about Europe,

To start with, it's the EU, not Europe. The UK is part of Europe regardless. :)

Then, as land mass, among 28 EU countries, the UK is 8th. Hardly "tiny".

Other European Countries have much more immigration than the UK. It's 11th, even behind my tiny country in immigrants per 1000 population.

It's not even the most populated. It's fourth, and at similar density to Germany.

It allows easy people movement (yes even for people moving from the UK) and trade, as well as encouraging scientific research.

It offers a joint front that other economies have to reckon with and court to get into.

It has been a force for improved environmental and human rights regulations.

As the EU opens to new countries, it also benefits from their markets and production resources.
You leave and your export market might turn elsewhere with lower taxes on the products.

The UK hasn't only been giving money away. It has benefited from trained professionals at cost zero going to work for the UK.

Immigrants produce and export too. They become part of the community, and the consumer base as well as tax payers.

By all means, change how you relate to the EU. Keep complete political independence. But you'll have to trade off taxes with people movement. And I'm not sure it is worth the upheaval.