This is bullshit :- brexit

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I can see the MP voting to stay in.

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I agree that it won't change with brexit, but it was all there before and wouldn't have changed if we remained.

I was going to type a response to libra101 when I realised it is no longer possible to distinguish genuine posts from pisstakes. I'll just say that, either way, it was a genuinely awesome post and I loved it.

'This is your decision. The Government will implement
what you decide.' tax payer funded government leaflet before the referendum i guess some people on this thread just think its an 'alternative fact'

If you don't want the UK to leave the EU now is the time to lobby your MP, wrote letters, emails, sign petitions etc. Make your feeling known, because an MP's job is to represent their constituents. So tell them what you want.

Done all that. My MP supposedly voted Remain; her constituency voted in favour of Remain. She's given up answering constituents letters. The Tory party is more important to her than doing the job she's paid for. The only thing which might make her do this, would be the prospect of losing her seat. Which I will do my best to make sure happens.

So sick of it all. And the prospect of all the wrangling, arguing and bollocks continuing for months and years to come. It was idiotic and misguided to have the referendum in the first place. The intention behind calling the damn thing in the first place was all to do with political manoeuvring, ambition and power. What a stupid waste of energy and money. The utter shortsighted of the people who voted leave thinking that the 'great' would be put back into Great Britain the day after the vote just leaves me lost for words.

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.' tax payer funded government leaflet before the referendum i guess some people on this thread just think its an 'alternative fact'

But of course, Cameron forgot to put the small print in, that it would only be if the UK voted Remain, which meant he had to do nothing. Which would have been par for the course for him. This is the Cameron who said Yes, he would stay on as PM, and then immediately resigned; said yes, he would stay on as an MP and threw in the towel a few weeks later, and the Cameron which the Tory party gave a standing ovation to.

Bit like Mrs May now intends to implement the stuff written in invisible ink in the Tory Manifesto - if we vote for Leave, there will be a hard Brexit - and if the country is stuffed as a result, that won't affect me, because I am married to a wealthy man.

And the phrase 'the will of the people' being bandied about all over place, such as that it's just become meaningless. Like 'Brexit means Brexit' which means exactly nothing, absolutely FA.

Having a group of elected representatives review the most significant change the country is likely to make this decade and ensure that we are doing it in the best possible way for the people is bull? I think not.

When a political party wins an election, they're not hell bent on carrying out their manifestos... so why is Theresa May so hellbent on this? 😒

If someone could tell me what is so great about Europe,

Just for starters, in areas such as where we live, the EU has provided millions of pounds in grants for area regeneration and community development. If anyone seriously believes this will be replicated by a Tory government I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell them, along with all that swampland.

Constituents have already voted and said what they want.

Given how close the result was many MPs will represent constituencies where a majority voted for Remain.

I think Theresa May has boxed herself into a corner, and she is too inflexible to turn round. She's not a negotiator, doesn't know how to win an argument except by browbeating the opposition. At the same time, she has very little understanding of international affairs, and has shown little curiosity in them, but doesn't realise how weak this makes her. Being hell bent on this will make her a success in her own eyes and she won't admit that she smashed the country - it will always be some one else's fault.

I hope the men in the grey suits come for her soon.

To go back to roast potatoes or to be more accurate (and less Daily Mail), acrylamide levels in food:

Yes, there is a draft EU regulation (not a directive) to reduce levels of acrylamide in food see here

The EU executive declared its intention to adopt binding measures to tackle acrylamide in food on 25 October. The decision was expected to be taken at the Standing Committee on Plants, Animals, Food, and Feed, an expert group made up of member state representatives, which assists the Commission on decisions of a scientific nature.

Contacted by EurActiv.com, an EU spokesperson stressed that the draft regulation on acrylamide was scheduled “for discussion only” at the Standing Committee.

The British Hospitality Association advice here

Forthcoming legislation will require food businesses to take appropriate action to reduce levels of acrylamide according to the principle of ALARA (As Low As Reasonably Achievable). Caterers will not be required to test foods, but if they follow Official Industry Guidance this will be sufficient. The BHA is leading a working party of key stakeholders with the Food Standards Agency and Food Standards Scotland to develop industry guidance, which will be available free of charge from Summer 2017.

Discussion here on whether the new regulation should sit under the Hygiene Regulation or the Regulation on Contaminants.

It's still up to you whether you want to burn your toast and roasties at home (#eurebel)

The utter shortsighted of the people who voted leave thinking that the 'great' would be put back into Great Britain the day after the vote just leaves me lost for words.

All you need to do is look to the US to see how Trump is starting to Make America Great Again.

The utter shortsighted of the people who voted leave thinking that the 'great' would be put back into Great Britain the day after the vote just leaves me lost for words

I don't understand what this means.

I don't understand what this means.
In the geographical sense, or the political and economic sense?

I don't know Peregrina.

Deadsouls wrote it above:

So sick of it all. And the prospect of all the wrangling, arguing and bollocks continuing for months and years to come. It was idiotic and misguided to have the referendum in the first place. The intention behind calling the damn thing in the first place was all to do with political manoeuvring, ambition and power. What a stupid waste of energy and money. The utter shortsighted of the people who voted leave thinking that the 'great' would be put back into Great Britain the day after the vote just leaves me lost for words

I don't understand what was meant by it, it doesn't reflect my reasons for voting leave or any leave voters I know or have read so I wanted to know what Dead meant by it.

wrong

I was making a broad and sweeping statement, that doesn't reflect the view of ALL leave voters, as I don't know all leave voters.
The phrase, putting the 'great' back into 'great Britain' was something I heard and saw, anecdotally amongst the, as I say, few leave voters I know, on FB etc, on particular nationalistic FB group pages etc. I don't claim that this is a statistically representative phrase attributed to leave voters. Only as I say anecdotal. And I also say that it's a broad generalisation. Nonetheless this was a propagandist phrase that I heard bandied about.

I believe this phrase is one that UKIP have used in connection to Brexit.

The difficulty that I have had in gauging whether the 'leave' vote in the referendum really means that people really voted for ''leaving and the consequences of leaving' is that virtually all the reasons people gave me at the time for why they were voting leave have since been debunked or, even at the time, had no substance behind them (e.g. more money for the NHS, blocking immigrants but still having completely free access to the EU for trade, being able to make our own laws [without being able to give any examples of any laws we have that come from European law], cheaper housing)

Equally, I don't know whether a vote for 'remain' would have been a valid vote on 'remaining and the consequences of doing so', but at least remaining is the status quo and everyone knew what that really looked like.

I absolutely agree that I don't know all Leave voters, and so i am not saying that all leave voters had reasons for their vote that have been debunked. Just that from my conversations, the % of people I have spoken to whose main reason for voting leave has since been revealed to not be possible in the way outlined in the Leave campaign is much higher than the margin of the vote.

In reality, the EU may well change or disappear over the next few years.

But the Brexit vote's effect, is not really about the EU, it's about forcing a very very right wing coup on this country, along side US, France and who knows where else. UKIP and Banks' new party (in NYT he said he wants to destroy the conservative party) agenda is not just about Europe, it's about changing the face of British politics and life, perhaps for a very long time.

How can sensible leave voters, of whom I am sure there are many, be content with forming alliances with Trump, at all? The Americans know exactly what they're getting, they are aware of America First and its long fascistic history, British people seem to think that because this appears to still be Britain, we can't suffer the same fate.
But can we be so sure?

Well Brexit now means sitting next to a moron, who can't hold back his moronic views. Well done Mrs May.

wish there was an ashamed emoji

May has no choice but do a deal with Trump since bridges have been burnt with Europe. Its a strange type of taking back control.

Send in Yvette Cooper