This is bullshit :- brexit

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-supreme-court-ruling-judges-defy-theresa-may-and-hand-power-to-parliament-a7542406.html

I can see the MP voting to stay in.

@HelenaGWells - you have said, very clearly and concisely, what I was trying to say - and you've said it much better.

If anything, this is a verdict that upholds democracy, not one that damages it.

I voted remain but just want them to crack on with it now and end the uncertainty for the economy

You only have to glance at the worth of the pound to see that 'cracking on with it' would be the worst thing we could do for our economy.

The result of the referendum was announced and the pound plummeted. It recovered slightly over time until October when Teresa May started talking about hard brexit and no single market. The pound plummeted once again. The High Court ruled against her in December and the pound finally started to properly recover. Following yesterday's announcement the pound's value rose again.

"The Brexit vote was a friendly 'we are all in this together' tea party in comparison".
Apart from blowing the head off a young mother.

tiggytape Do you really need to ask that? Having SOME KIND OF PLAN would be preferable to just cracking on with it. Demonstrating even an iota of forethought and being able to set out some intentions would go a long way to shoring up the value of the pound, rather than just plunging in headlong.

'the independence referendum was really awful - a terrible atmosphere, so divisive. The Brexit vote was a friendly 'we are all in this together' tea party in comparison.'

From your biased point of view perhaps? Nothing jolly whatso-bloody-ever about Brexit from where I was sitting in Scotland.

What's the alternative to cracking on with it that is better for the economy?

:) Not leaving?

Tiggytape If there was no plan for exit from the EU, why set up a referendum in the first place? Plan A is so far an omnishambles. And it hasn't even got to the House of Lords yet. I predict that by the time this all gets through Parliament, Article 50 will be triggered in 2026, because, you know, the people have spoken.

MPs voted in favour for it because it was advisory only! If I recall correctly Miliband refused to hold a referendum on the issue. Remember the hectoring he got for saying not if I'm elected?

I wonder whether those wanting to "crack on with it" are aware how pitifully unprepared the Government is for implementing a Leave vote - not just (just!) as to any policy plan, but also as to the sheer practicalities and resources required in the period immediately following an Art 50 negotiation.

If a new trade deal is to be negotiated with the 27, and then separate deals country by country with the rest of the world, you need a lot of experienced, highly competent and probably multilingual trade negotiators. (The 27 have said/hinted that they will seek to negotiate in French, rather than English).

You also need a lot more lawyers than the Government currently has, not just to deal with trade arrangements but also to review the whole body of law enacted since accession to the EEC - thousands upon thousands of statutes and statutory instruments - to identify and implement the complex further legislative steps which will be needed.

We don't have lots of home-grown international trade negotiators (tens rather than hundreds). We haven't needed them much since the 1970s, because trade deals with the rest of the world have been negotiated by the European Commission on a collective basis. Most of our good ones actually work for the European Commission, so they may not want to, or be in a position to, switch sides. It's a recruitment headache, no doubt.

By all accounts the massive headhunting exercise for lawyers which was launched by the Government Legal Service after the referendum result isn't going that well either.

"Crack on" sounds simple, but when time starts ticking towards that very tight 2-year deadline it is all going to be very far from simple.

^following an Art 50 notification, I should have said.

'A Parliament coup'
A coup=is the illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites within the state apparatus.
Political assassination, threatening judges and legally elected MPs, inciting racial hatred with illegal posters, hi jacking the results of a constitutionally impotent referendum as a political mandate
That's a coup
Legally elected parliamentary representatives voting on a white paper and on terms of triggering a50 is not.

Meanwhile the EU has issued a directive on how brown a roast potato is allowed to be.

If anyone actually believes this rubbish then please give me a call, as I have some swampland I'd quite like to sell you.

'the independence referendum was really awful - a terrible atmosphere, so divisive. The Brexit vote was a friendly 'we are all in this together' tea party in comparison.'

Entirely the opposite from where I could see it - the Scottish independence referendum led to political engagement on a scale never seen in my lifetime. We were asking fundamental questions about our identity, our future and notion of where governing ends and where being governed begins. I was disappointed that the vote went the way it did, but I feel the country was better for that period of self-examination and debate.

The EU debate, on the other hand, was little more than lies, hyperbole, and white people shouting about immigrants on the news.

It would lead to political fallout
It already has.

NI peace process shattered, thousands of EU nationals racially abused, harassed, incarcerated, stock market swings like an emerging nation.

The list of the domestic fuckwittery as a result of the referendum is endless

On an international scale, the success of a extreme right wing, dubiously funded and affiliated but small, and unrepresented in domestic parliamentary group, in terrifying a populace with lies has emboldened the comic tragedy that is Trump, impending le Pen victory and fuck knows what other fascist twits across western Europe. Le Pen's watched the car crash we're going through and is not even offering Frexit now.

And peace in the Baltic states while we're at it.

The war is already on.
Politics is messy; it's a human endeavour, that's what we're like.
Intelligent and informed engagement honours democracy.
I've lived through tory hell before under thatch, it's a tory country. Speeding through brexit will do nothing to prevent the hard right's march, but I suspect they're after a hell of a lot more than Brexit.

In theory Trump has to be re elected in 4 years if there's a planet left to do it on.

Brexit is permanent.

"'the independence referendum was really awful - a terrible atmosphere, so divisive"

Yes, it was. In the village I live in there are still Yes posters and signs up.

People are STILL not speaking re the Vote.

Children went into School wearing political emblems and were encouraged by their teachers. English children in that School were told their parents were 'not Scottish enough' and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

It was vile. It will be again, when we have IndyRef II (this shower will keep going till they get the result they want)

Meanwhile the EU has issued a directive on how brown a roast potato is allowed to be

Honestly. Who will get the blame for these misunderstandings when we aren't part of the EU anymore.

Isn't it the UK FSA that issued that directive? Pretty sure it wasn't an EU budy.

Meanwhile the EU has issued a directive on how brown a roast potato is allowed to be

anyone know how to do an emoji of a person banging their head on a table?

fleuricle - that is so horrendous. I must admit I hadn't appreciated that it had been that vile

Isn't it the UK FSA that issued that directive? Pretty sure it wasn't an EU body.

Yeah - the FSA, US Environmental Protection Agency and the International Agency for Research On Cancer (collectively known as the EU apparently) all trying to stop us getting cancer - the bastards

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Well its not a law or anything, and there is no proof that it causes cancer in humans at all, and even if it did you would need to eat at least 320 slices of burnt toast to reach the theoretical carcinogenic level for mice.....so its not a useful piece of advice at this time.

Still nothing to do with the EU either way!