This is bullshit :- brexit

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I can see the MP voting to stay in.

Have read the whole thread.
Am a bit confused.
Brown toast and roast potatoes? Has the Food Standards Agency been taken over by the EU bureaucrats? Bastards! I voted remain but if the sainted Food Standards Agency (who always get it right) are have been secretly poached (only poached, not over roasted - don't panic) by the EU then I think we're better off out of it quite frankly.
Federal Army? God forbid we'd want better security. We don't need that, not when we have the best resourced armed forces in the world. Hmm.
Are Micra's are crap? Yes, and that stunt just made Call Me Dave look cheap.
Who will live with the consequences/benefits (depending on your point of view) of Brexit? Our children, but fortunately us old people will probably all be dead by the time the full impact hits.
Wine now please and a nice lie down until it's all over.

The absolute garbage about the EU issuing a directive about how brown roast potatoes can be, plucked from the air, never checked or verified and thrown out as if it was a real thing that actually happened is such a perfect example of the stupidity and ignorance that drove the brexit vote.

Every where you look there's another slack jawed simpleton announcing that the EU was to blame for some random nonsense or other and none of it is ever true.

An issue of this complexity should never have been put to a grossly ill-informed public to decide upon. When all our food and evironmental standards are as appalling as America's, when the NHS has been pillaged by American healthcare giants and Brits are dying unavoidable deaths for want of extortionately priced health insurance and when we are eating chlorine bleached chicken you won't be able to find a single person in the country who admits to having voted for it.

Right, from what I could gather, acrylamide in foods has long been something that has been an issue.
The US FDA has guidelines, the UK FSA has guidelines, and the EU has reports on it.

The toast and roast thing, if I got it correctly, came from a recent report by an FSA project looking at how much acrylamide is present in foods that are normally eaten.
There's also the question of whether it causes cancer or it's just a marginal effect.

But, as usual, the media picked up the story at its most sensationalist. And it seems that people tend to associate this type of thing with the EU.

Harsh, but fair Frugalgal

It was all about the pesky immigrants. Nothing else.

Then the roast potatoes came into the frame.

No wonder the rest of the world looks on in disdain at the reasons for exit.

The next person who claims that the EU are issuing directives about roast potatoes and toast ...

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Worth a read: docs.google.com/document/d/10PA9ii4yqDnLbmzDeRcAcoVosAYvMJTh9P6bCw-tSqs/edit

@Hairlyoon,

TL DR (all of it), but will later. Unfortunately bullet points and easy to grasp key points are needed there. It's just a wall of text.

But one thing stood out for me, and it's this paragraph. The legal action being taken very soon in Dublin to see if it is possible to reverse the invokation of Article 50.

Had to be taken in Dublin as it could not be taken in the UK given the conflict of interest I suppose, but I am still not clear on that aspect.

This is the paragraph. I do realise that NI/ROI issues may not be top of everyone's mind, but given the possible threat to the peace process if Hard borders are re introduced, it is an issue IMV.

"There's one that my friend Jolyon Maugham is running in Dublin because of the very difficult position that the north and the south of Ireland are in, in relation to the reintroduction of borders between the UK and the rest of the EU. That particular action has as its target getting a judgement on whether or not Article 50, if invoked, can be ‘uninvoked’ again in future. Whether it's revocable. Whether, for example, if it were triggered, then there were negotiations and the negotiations issued in a deal which was palpably worse than being in the EU and there was a General Election or another referendum about it - we could say 'No, we ‘untrigger’ Article 50' and we just remain in the EU.

That is the purpose behind that legal challenge."

And when the EU officials are not trying to issue orders about toast and roast potatoes, they're straightening our traditional, honest-to-goodness British bananas and forcing farmers to grow cuboid potatoes so they can be stacked more neatly. Fuckers.

I know, Thora, not only that, but the arseholes also forced us to clear all the shit off our beaches. Bastards.

I'm so bored of explaining to ignorant bigots Leave voters that the referendum was never legally binding, it was effectively an opinion poll.

Also "the majority" of people don't want to leave the EU, only around 33% of the population voted to leave, but sadly 33% of the population didn't vote and the other 33% voted to remain. In most binding votes a majority of more than 4% is needed to show clear victory. So no, "The People" have not spoken. A minority of people who believed Johnson & Farage's blatant bullshit voted leave.

If you don't want the UK to leave the EU now is the time to lobby your MP, wrote letters, emails, sign petitions etc. Make your feeling known, because an MP's job is to represent their constituents. So tell them what you want.

I also think that there should never have been a referendum, as there is absolutely no way that 70-odd percent of the population (turnout) could possible understand the legal, financial, economic, social, political and military consequences of this vote.

Also "the majority" of people don't want to leave the EU, only around 33% of the population voted to leave

I'm sick of explaining to people, that spinning the result this way is frankly ridiculous. You can't include those that didn't vote.

If you don't want the UK to leave the EU now is the time to lobby your MP, wrote letters, emails, sign petitions etc. Make your feeling known, because an MP's job is to represent their constituents. So tell them what you want.

Constituents have already voted and said what they want.

MarvellousMonsters

Its funny that you use "ignorant bigot" to describe others and not your own attitude.

Make your feeling known, because an MP's job is to represent their constituents. So tell them what you want.

Isn't this what the constituents did when they voted to leave?

I'm so bored of explaining to ignorant bigots Leave voters that the referendum was never legally binding, it was effectively an opinion poll

Also "the majority" of people don't want to leave the EU, only around 33% of the population voted to leave, but sadly 33% of the population didn't vote and the other 33% voted to remain. In most binding votes a majority of more than 4% is needed to show clear victory. So no, "The People" have not spoken. A minority of people who believed Johnson & Farage's blatant bullshit voted leave

Right, come on leavers, and reasonable remainers. Let's admit it, now a wise poster who is not very good at maths has explained it all to us, we might as well admit defeat and give up arguing. What a fantastic display of logic and incisive political insight.

It was an opinion poll. Yes, yes, nothing but, absolutely no implications if it was treated as such.

The majority don't want to leave the EU. But then again neither do the majority want to remain in the EU.

But a higher number voted to leave.

Also, please note, calling people ignorant bigots based on how they voted at the referendum when you don't know them makes you sound like an ignorant bigot.

-Constituents have already voted and said what they want.
have voted in an advisory referendum with no constitutional or legal status.

In most binding votes a majority of more than 4% is needed to show clear victory.

Then its a shame that cameron didn't make that a requirement of the referendum.

woman12345

Yes constituents have advised their MP in their constituent area that they would like them to represent them by voting to leave the EU.

Sorry just musing But many, many people thought that leave would lose

And many many people are quite stupid and may not have voted thinking 'whats the point leave are going to lose'

Still musing but that could mean that the People who didnt vote could

A) been intending to vote remain but couldnt be arsed as they thought remain were going to win

B) been intending to vote leave but couldnt be arsed as they thought remain were going to win

So in my alternative world which i am sure no one gives a shit about leave could have destroyed the remain vote or remain could have won

I am tired and all this percentage talk is boring and pointless (although there should have been a minimum majority built in)

Such a divided country now.

That wasn't the case before the referendum.

The country was just as divided before the referendum it just didn't get this much publicity.

extrabiotin
Such a divided country now.

That wasn't the case before the referendum.

North, south divide
rich, poor divide
Private, state divide
Housing divide
rural, city divide
London, rest of UK divide
Scotland, England divide
Educational divide

I am sure that others will be able to think of some more.

Jamie,

I know there probably always was a North/South/London divide, but not to extent that I see it now.

@Boney,

That won't change with Brexit will it?