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This is bullshit :- brexit

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EveOnline2016 · 24/01/2017 10:04

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-supreme-court-ruling-judges-defy-theresa-may-and-hand-power-to-parliament-a7542406.html

I can see the MP voting to stay in.

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Peregrina · 25/01/2017 00:19

My suspicion is that May voted out of expediency - she thought Remain would be the winning side.

phoolani · 25/01/2017 00:20

Pergrina, that's definitely my take on it, too.

WrongTrouser · 25/01/2017 07:38

As I see it from afar, it appears that although the mothership is forging ahead with Brexit as a result of the referendum, I think more people would opt to stay now than leave

Just a feeling I'm getting, with absolute due respect to your referendum result last June

You could look at the polling done which shows otherwise.

Motheroffourdragons · 25/01/2017 08:24

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JoffreyBaratheon · 25/01/2017 08:58

My MP was spending thousands of pounds of his own money to finance a Leave campaign and was brown-nosing Boris Johnson rigid, only the day before the referendum. He'd clearly vote Leave if every single constituent wanted to Remain... I feel like don't have an MP, essentially, as he's so unrepresentative of everything I believe.

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InformalRoman · 25/01/2017 09:27

Re Nissan - all companies continually assess their competitiveness, but to openly state it is (IMO) a clear message to the UK.

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HelenaGWells · 25/01/2017 09:35

The vote just upholds the sovereignty of parliament. It won't change anything (if nothing else the Torys have to do the will of the people as it was their idea and they hold the majority) it just makes sure as a country we maintain sovereignty of parliament which is vital to our democracy.

I think it's vital that our government cannot do something so huge without the full support of parliament. This process is going to be lengthy and complicated and something so important should not be left entirely in the hands of the any one party. All our MPs (that we elected) should be able on our behalf along the way on key issues going forward.

This is not a verdict to stop us exiting it is a verdict to say that this whole process should be overseen and voted on by parliament as we go along. I think that is a decision we should all be happy with.

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HelenaGWells · 25/01/2017 09:40

The majority of the remaining group was English

I think you will find more remainers in Scotland.

CardinalSin · 25/01/2017 09:40

As I see it from afar, it appears that although the mothership is forging ahead with Brexit as a result of the referendum, I think more people would opt to stay now than leave

Why do you think the Brexiteers are so adamant that there MUST NOT be another referendum under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES...

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SouthWestmom · 25/01/2017 10:19

This whole mess just reinforces my view that generally Tories are the posh kids that nononè said no to. And when they do, they can't handle it.

So Cameron - no one will vote Leave. We don't need a plan B ! Oh shit. Resigns.

May. I'm in charge now, let's push on. What, the court said no? Let's fight them all the way! Wastes a shit ton of money. Loses anyway.

Servicesupportforall · 25/01/2017 10:33

I voted remain but just want them to crack on with it now and end the uncertainty for the economy.

And no way will parliament not vote it through. Labour are a sad mess and lib Dems irrelevant.

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 25/01/2017 10:41

tiggy agree.

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 25/01/2017 10:42

people who say "It would definitely go remain if we had another vote" are quite possibly wrong.

Probably wrong at this moment in time when Brexit hasn't yet happened. Five years from now is when we'll get a sense of how many people regret voting Leave. I suspect it will be a lot.

Believeitornot · 25/01/2017 10:45

Brexit is the biggest thing that our country will be doing for years. Generations perhaps.

The EU membership is not simple. There are so many things to negotiate.

A short term, party political approach cannot be taken because the ramifications in the short, medium and long term are huge. Undoing any damage will be nearly impossible.

And that's the exact reason why parliament should be scrutinising this.

It would be insane not to.

EurusHolmesViolin · 25/01/2017 11:04

I voted remain but just want them to crack on with it now and end the uncertainty for the economy

Erm, I'm not sure cracking on with it is going to end the uncertainty for the economy. Probably quite the opposite. I understand the desire to get things sorted, but we need to be in no doubt that this is going to be a period of great uncertainty however things are managed.

unlucky83 · 25/01/2017 11:11

I think you will find more remainers in Scotland.
That's not true in actual terms (only in percentage terms).

I think Scotland is a 'special' case anyway.
Issues that had a big impact in other parts of the UK didn't in Scotland eg Immigration. Scotland is still sparsely populated. iirc no of people per km sq in Scotland is around 70, in England it is 400+ .
If Scotland has any chance of surviving as an independent nation it needs more people (tax payers), more immigration. And it would also need to be part of the EU (as a net gainer). Which is why the SNP are pro-remain and told people that was the best way of voting. They have huge (misguided I think!) support - lots still say they would never vote for the tories (cos of Poll tax...). The SNP are the 'only' choice for all the disgruntled traditional labour supporters. Never mind certain areas voting for a pig with a red or blue rosette - certain areas here would vote for an axe wielding maniac intend on killing their children wearing a yellow (SNP) rosette...
Also anyone who wanted independence would have voted remain...
And finally the independence referendum was really awful - a terrible atmosphere, so divisive. The Brexit vote was a friendly 'we are all in this together' tea party in comparison.
The desire to stop another indy ref was a factor in the way people voted. (There were people on here asking the best way to vote to avoid one - that was more important to them than whether to Brexit or not...it really was that bad)
What actually happened was the worse possible thing - majority remain support in Scotland and Brext for the UK. But not sure how much of a reflection that is on people's feelings about the EU.
I am pro-Brexit - for various reasons, and I did my research ...didn't believe what was written on a bus etc - it was a conviction vote. But even I dithered in the voting booth...thinking a remain vote was probably the safest option to try and avoid Indy Ref 2.

(I have been tactically voting in the last few elections...anything to try and keep the SNP out...which is not something I would have ever thought I would do but I really do dislike them that much...)

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