This is bullshit :- brexit

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I can see the MP voting to stay in.

Yes, May constantly berated Brown for not calling an election. Hypocrite is the word that springs to mind.

Do we really want a hypocrite leading us out of Europe?

I was one who stumped up for the initial High Court action. May needn't have appealed to the Supreme Court, so she needn't have wasted taxpayers money.

For those Leavers who object to the EU as being unelected and going on about it at considerable length now, I would repeat the question I posed back last Autumn. Did you vote in the EU elections? Any of them but preferably all? Our polling stations are usually near to where we live, unlike in some countries where people have to travel distances to vote, and the polling stations are open for long hours compared with other countries so there are few excuses. If you couldn't be bothered to vote then don't pretend that you regard the EU as being important to you.

I don't recall getting any answers last time, or certainly not from the noisy, "get over it, you lost, what don't you understand about democracy?" brigade.

On a purely practical level - the UK voted for Brexit - a simple in/out decision. However, it is not a simple matter to manage the process of leaving, with all the things that need to be decided and negotiated.

Do we want that process done by just the PM and her Cabinet, or do we want all of our MPs to be involved?

For the person who, early in the thread, said this was the start of the death of democracy, I would argue that it is the exact opposite. Democracy is expressed in the UK via our elected Members of Parliament - so if ordinary MPs had been excluded from the brexit process, that would have been u democratic.

Do we really want to set a precedent where decisions as important and far-reaching as those surrounding Brexit can be taken by executive order, with our democratically elected representatives having no say? I don't.

We need to remember that the court case was not mounted to establish the supremacy of the House of Parliament. Gina Millar started the court action to thwart the result of the referendum. Indeed her argument is hypocritical insofar as the House of Parliament is subordinate to and subjugated by the EU for as long as thiis country is part of the EU.

tiggytape May can call an election anytime she wants as she wasn't the PM when her party was elected into Government.

It really doesn't matter - a majority is still a majority and I'll try to avoid mentioning that this is usually only said by those who have lost the vote

So, I try to engage in debate, quite clearly stating that I am camp remain but that I accept the outcome and you still feel a need to write this?

Revolutions have been started - and won - by far fewer than 48% of the voting electorate. Belittling our opinions with glib comments doesn't make our opinions any less significant. 48% of the voting electorate aren't just going to go away

What utter and complete shite

Isnotmy...........

Gina Millar started the court action to thwart the result of the referendum.

By getting together with someone who actually voted leave and asking the court to answer a narrow question about process?

The dastardly, incompetent cowbag!

I refer to prior musings on "understanding of fundamentals" and "quality of thought" versus "competence to vote in regard to future generations' well-being", m'lud

Do we want that process done by just the PM and her Cabinet, or do we want all of our MPs to be involved?

You would think that May would want this herself. I know she keeps saying Brexit means Brexit and she intends to make a success of it, but these are easy words. She's rather fond of easy words and not very good at actions. If Brexit fails, then if the process is not passed by Parliament the failure is hers. In the same way that Cameron has wrecked his own political reputation.

BTW snowflakes can combine to form avalanches and avalanches can kill.

Tiggy FWIW I believe an earlier election can also be called if two thirds of MPs agree that it should be?

Trouble is, that would mean a significant number of Labour MPs would have to go along with it, and with the state they're in under their current leader that's absolutely not going to happen

They could pass a law to suspend the Fixed Term Parliament Act or pass an Act allowing a one off suspension of it. Where May, in what is becoming increasingly obvious as her usual clodhopping approach, could have capitalised on not having fought an election by making the point that it's not as easy to call one now. But she didn't; hectoring is her style.

48% of the voting electorate aren't just going to go away

Nobody suggested they should, Halo ... if you read my post again you'll see I suggested that their concerns can be addressed in parliament by all those MPs who feel the same way

They need to have a vote but they also need to uphold the views of the British people - democracy in action.

No, they don't need to uphold the views of the people, democracy in action. Political expediency dictates that they must, but legally no. MPs duty is to consider the good of the country, for which they swear an oath.

yabba RTFT!!! I've already pointed out that the bigger waste of time, money and resources is Brexit. The biggest waste ever, perhaps.

cockacidal

May constantly berated Brown for not calling an election. Hypocrite is the word that springs to mind

we have just had the biggest political shake up since when......people fell and fled like dominoes, I am glad TM put herself forward for PM and has led us through this rocky time.

Or maybe you would have preferred Corbyn at the helm? Who else is there?

The referendum was to decide leave or stay the EU. There was nothing in the referendum giving the government sole control on how leaving the EU would be carried out.

The terms of leaving must be decided by democratic process not just by the PM and her cabinet. Our representatives in the HOC need to vote on each stage of the process.

I'm sorry OP...I know I'm going to sound patronising but you don't understand constitutional law in the UK for all of the reasons people have already mentioned.

And your comment on the non-existent EU Directive on Roast Potatoes is exactly the kind of bollocks that meant people voted for Brexit.

FFS.

From the stats I've seen (also those linked to further up) the biggest group of leave voters were 65+. I agree its odd that the group who survived the last world war should vote out of the EU.

Did most of this group actually survive WW2 though? If you were 65 in 2016, you were born in 1950-1. To have been born during WW2, you'd have been 71 at referendum time at the very youngest. To remember anything of it at all, mid 70s, and any meaningful memory getting towards 80. Bearing in mind the human lifespan and the baby boom, it's possible that most of the over 65s actually didn't survive the war. It must certainly be a significant minority.

We need to remember that the court case was not mounted to establish the supremacy of the House of Parliament. Gina Millar started the court action to thwart the result of the referendum.

We need to remember that you're full of shit. Tell us, won't you, the reason you didn't mention the Leaver who also mounted a court case?

A few months ago, I'd have been excited by this result as a chance for Democracy to finally prevail. But I'm so tired and jaded by all this by now. The Farage puppets, Theresa May and her cronies, have got it all sewn up. It's clear that the country is going to jump off this cliff no matter what.
My family and I have resigned ourselves to the inevitable and will take ourselves (and our considerable savings and taxes plus employment of 50+ people) elsewhere. Bye-bye Little England.
The only positive to come out of all this will be Devolution of Scotland and Northern Ireland. Wales, unfortunately for them, voted for Christmas along with all the other turkeys.

"It's great 'coz we'll just trade with the rest of the world"!?! Yeah right. The US, Australia and New Zealand will instantly pick up the 44% of our exports that currently go to the EU. Oh wait - don't the Americans want Toyota and Nissan cars made in Ye Olde England? Whyever not? Couldn't be because Toyota and Nissan already make cars for the American market in - wait for it - America?
The truth is that the UK manufactures almost NOTHING that is of interest to the rest of the world. The main reason we still have a functioning export industry are our EU trade deals. Great!!! Oh wait???
Idiots. But sorry to say I don't really care anymore. I spent all last summer being depressed, but then realised that there are other, more forward-thinking places out there, yay!

I'm certainly not calling all Leavers stupid, but the idiots (on either side) who think that democracy only exists for those thirty seconds in the polling booth - you cast your vote and then SHUT UP for the next five years because THE MAJORITY WIN really, really are incredibly dim. The carping on about the anti-Brexit marches and now about this court case shows people up as entirely and completely lacking a single clue about what democracy actually is. It isn't just having a vote; it's having a voice. It's having the right to be heard, to protest and to argue and to campaign. And in this case, it's about following extremely important legal processes which protect democracy itself and uphold the sovereignty of Parliament as has been painstakingly explained throughout the thread for the hard of thinking who believe the roast potato myths. To dismiss it as 'bullshit' is to painfully miss the point.