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All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!

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Roussette · 21/01/2017 14:40

Here we are!

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GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 20:47

What exactly is the term for alternative facts of alternative facts? I strongly suspect it's simply "fiction" but I doubt Angry Spice will agree.

He claims Trump resigned from his businesses. His sons now run it. That is hardly a blind trust.

paxillin · 23/01/2017 20:50

Third/ fifth/ ninth version fact, GingerIvy.

GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 20:59

I love a witty response.

............

John Mann ‏*@JohnMannMP* 10m10 minutes ago

Cut healthcare. Increase debt. Then build a wall to stop people escaping.

The Telegraph @Telegraph
Trump’s ideas on taxes, debt and regulation are worth us stealing

Lweji · 23/01/2017 21:00

Oh, if we're adopting nicknames to cope, Kellyanne Conway is The Majorette / Nutcracker

Or just Nut. I'm for Kellyette Con-away.

GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:03

She clearly has multiple personalities titles. Grin

bumbleymummy · 23/01/2017 21:04

I know several pro-life people who marched at the weekend. There are plenty of other issues that can unite people in their dislike of Trump.

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:05

So:

It was the most watched inaugaration around the world if you include streaming, online etc. that's no doubt true. Because more people have access to technology

Why mention that then?

If they aren't bothered about crowd size, why mention it loads. Why show pictures?

It would make a fascinating discussion in a school - critical thinking and spin.

Lweji · 23/01/2017 21:05

And..who had the biggest audience at the actual inaugaration? Obama in 2009 or Trump in 2017?

Not to mention that many people were simply watching in disbelief, while pinching themselves.
Audience is very different from support.

Lweji · 23/01/2017 21:13

Ah, Patriot Barbie is the Con Woman.
I thought it was that general, but I suppose he already has that nice nickname Mad Dog.
There's also The Grizzly Goldilocks.

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:14

I think he wanted the press not to focus on the poor crowd size but to say this is the most watched inaugaration in history.

So he wants the media to say nice things and to focus on the positives.

He would get on well with Jeremy.

Maybe Spicer should have said - yes, the crowd size was small, we see that, but a lot of people watched it online - so why didn't you mention that?

It must be hard to get out a positive message - but if you do give one out, it must be true.

UK unemployment figures are down - good news

(but the Government didn't say that UK employment figures haven't really gone up_

In the UK, the media have a tendency to focus on positive bits of news for May - and it's up to the Opposition to get out the reality / other aspects of the news)

There's mentioning alternate facts that are true and paint a different picture of a story.

Then there's lies.

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:17

Angry Spice has pissed off the media so bad, they are determined to prove him wrong

Any claims from any Government have to be verifiable. They may spin them, misinterpret them, not paint the full picture but they have to be verifiable.

I love More or Less on Radio 4 - this is exactly the kind of thing they do.
I bet there will be an episode "Trump's inaugaration - the most watched ever"

The first thing they would do is define "watched".

GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:20

Oh, no amispartacus I totally get that. I find it amusing though, as they are like a dog with a bone. You know it's going to be interesting when they start off basically with "So... are you going to tell the truth from now on?" And his response is "Of course, only facts... but we may disagree on the facts."

I call that a No. Grin

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:22

Un fucking believable

Let it go. He is like a dog with a bone

All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!
GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:22

Okay. I think I love the Independent. Check out this tweet re their article about the abortion stuff.

Independent US ‏*@IndyUSA 4m4 minutes ago*

Trump was surrounded by men when he signed a bill that impacts millions of women

GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:24

amispartacus yes, when camera angles matter, eh? hahaa

originalmavis · 23/01/2017 21:30

He really does care more how many people came out to adore him than how he will actually do any of the shite he promised.

He does realise that the rest of the world are growing to positively despise America because if him and his crackpot ideas?

I wonder how long before the Yeehaws start to get fed up with his antics and lies.

Roussette · 23/01/2017 21:34

I can't look at any NY Times articles any more unless I pay... I think you're allowed so many a month?

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GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:37

White House Pushes ‘Alternative Facts.’ Here Are the Real Ones.

WASHINGTON — Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Trump, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday that the White House had put forth “alternative facts” to ones reported by the news media about the size of Mr. Trump’s inauguration crowd.

She made this assertion — which quickly went viral on social media — a day after Mr. Trump and Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, had accused the news media of reporting falsehoods about the inauguration and Mr. Trump’s relationship with the intelligence agencies.

In leveling this attack, the president and Mr. Spicer made a series of false statements.

Here are the facts.

In a speech at the C.I.A. on Saturday, Mr. Trump said the news media had constructed a feud between him and the intelligence community. “They sort of made it sound like I had a ‘feud’ with the intelligence community,” he said. “It is exactly the opposite, and they understand that, too.”

In fact, Mr. Trump repeatedly criticized the intelligence agencies during his transition to office and has questioned their conclusion that Russia meddled in the election to aid his candidacy. He called their assessment “ridiculous” and suggested that it had been politically motivated.

After the disclosure of a dossier with unsubstantiated claims about him, Mr. Trump alleged that the intelligence agencies had allowed a leak of the material. “Are we living in Nazi Germany?” he asked in a post on Twitter.

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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Intelligence agencies should never have allowed this fake news to "leak" into the public. One last shot at me.Are we living in Nazi Germany?
12:48 PM - 11 Jan 2017
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Mr. Trump said of his inauguration crowd, “It looked honestly like a million and a half people, whatever it was, it was, but it went all the way back to the Washington Monument.”

Aerial photographs clearly show that the crowd did not stretch to the Washington Monument. An analysis by The New York Times, comparing photographs from Friday to ones taken of Barack Obama’s 2009 inauguration, showed that Mr. Trump’s crowd was significantly smaller and less than the 1.5 million people he claimed. An expert hired by The Times found that Mr. Trump’s crowd on the National Mall was about a third of the size of Mr. Obama’s in 2009.

Mr. Trump said that though he had been “hit by a couple of drops” of rain as he began his address on Inauguration Day, the sky soon cleared. “And the truth is, it stopped immediately, and then became sunny,” he said. “And I walked off, and it poured after I left. It poured.”

The truth is that it began to rain lightly almost exactly as Mr. Trump began to speak and continued to do so throughout his remarks, which lasted about 18 minutes, and after he finished.

Speaking later on Saturday in the White House briefing room, Mr. Spicer amplified Mr. Trump’s false claims. “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration — period — both in person and around the globe,” he said.

There is no evidence to support this claim. Not only was Mr. Trump’s inauguration crowd far smaller than Mr. Obama’s in 2009, but he also drew fewer television viewers in the United States (30.6 million) than Mr. Obama did in 2009 (38 million) and Ronald Reagan did in 1981 (42 million), Nielsen reported. Figures for online viewership were not available.

Trump’s Inauguration vs. Obama’s: Comparing the Crowds
Estimates put the crowd gathered for President Donald J. Trump’s inauguration at far less than President Obama’s in 2009.

Mr. Spicer said that Washington’s Metro system had greater ridership on Friday than it did for Mr. Obama’s 2013 inauguration. “We know that 420,000 people used the D.C. Metro public transit yesterday, which actually compares to 317,000 that used it for President Obama’s last inaugural,” Mr. Spicer said.

Neither number is correct, according to the transit system, which reported 570,557 entries into the rail system on Friday, compared with 782,000 on Inauguration Day in 2013.

Mr. Spicer said that “this was the first time in our nation’s history that floor coverings have been used to protect the grass on the Mall. That had the effect of highlighting any areas where people were not standing, while in years past the grass eliminated this visual.”

In fact, similar coverings were used during the 2013 inauguration to protect the grass. The coverings did not hamper analyses of the crowd size.

Mr. Spicer said that it was “the first time that fencing and magnetometers went as far back on the Mall, preventing hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the Mall as quickly as they had in inaugurations past.”

The Secret Service said security measures were largely unchanged this year. There were also few reports of long lines or delays.

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:39

Angles, perspective etc etc

All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!
All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!
amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:42

He really does care more how many people came out to adore him than how he will actually do any of the shite he promised

It is unbelievable. He is the President of the USA. He should be beyond this.
I thought he would have moved on. If I were American,I'd be embarassed.

I am rewatching Obama's ceremony again. So different. So so different.

GingerIvy · 23/01/2017 21:44

amispartacus I am, and I am.

amispartacus · 23/01/2017 21:53

I don't think this is how you kill a story. You kill a story by creating a distraction. A bigger story. A dead cat on the table. Something that can't be ignored.

Doesn't he know anything? He needs David Cameron - the master of the dead cat strategy.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/01/2017 22:03

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