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All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!

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Roussette · 21/01/2017 14:40

Here we are!

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Lweji · 22/01/2017 10:58

And female President too.

Mind you, he could be the first Russian agent President.

I wonder how that CIA visit was engineered and who was actually in attendance.

Livelovebehappy · 22/01/2017 11:00

Can't see the point of the marches. What will they achieve? Nothing. Trump will still be president tomorrow, next week, next year. There is a lot of inequality against women all over the world; for example the middle eastern countries who treat women as second class citizens, and who stone them to death for trivial misdemeanours. Why no protest marches for those women?

PausingFlatly · 22/01/2017 11:10

He and his supporters are using the media to promote his lies.

They're just using media where they have more direct control - FB, Twitter, social media, and of course Trump's pet media site Breitbart, run by Steve Bannon. While actively attempting to turn people against the "Mainstream Media" (now given a handy label of MSM for ease of vilification), just in case anyone gets their news from the wrong source.

During election rallies, Trump actually turned the crowd towards the press pen and started chanting "Lock them up". His little friend, multi-millionaire diamond-mine owner Arron Banks, who's busy [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596
setting himself up as a media baron]] and plans to buy himself 200 British MPs, was trying to label working journalists as "the elite".

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 11:14

An American friend told me that the people who voted for Trump are mainly people who can't afford a trip to Washington.

But did they have pro trump rallies and street parties on the day? If they did, or wasn't reported by the evil, corrupt press.

Dead God, I thought we had long passed the 'journalists are scum' attitude. I know a lot of investigative ones and they work bloody hard to unmask scumbags like Trump. Also to take on government and the miliatary to get justice for really shat upon grieving families. To work, boys and girls!

amispartacus · 22/01/2017 11:14

Can't see the point of the marches

We live in a democracy where we can influence our leaders. Our leaders need the support of elected politicians. Our elected politicians need to be elected. If they worry about being elected because of protests, they will listen.

paxillin · 22/01/2017 11:22

The marches will remind politicians that there are Senate and House elections long before presidential one again. The first march was bigger than the inaugural crowd, maybe the second will hit 1,000,000?

MsHooliesCardigan · 22/01/2017 11:23

Live So should we just not bother doing anything then? There were marches in India, Ghana, Thailand and Myanmar. Because women's rights are worse in a lot of other countries doesn't mean that American women shouldn't make their views known about the threat to abortion rights. Irish women can't get abortions in their own country- are they not supposed to protest because women in ME countries have it worse?
You have to start somewhere. I'm proud that my DD went to the march and she came back really excited and inspired. How do you think the civil rights movement started? Nobody thinks that one march will get rid of Trump but it is showing him that there are millions of people who don't agree with him.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 22/01/2017 11:46

I think trump will be the first trans president
If he gets ousted he'll do a Caitlin Jenner and run again as Donna trump

Formerpigwrestler9 · 22/01/2017 11:51

No one can control the media, he can try but its not possible to orchestrate things towards any particular outcome

there just too much of it now we have social media, face book may manipulate the news feeds but there are so many other ways to communicate directly with other people

paxillin · 22/01/2017 11:51

For a teetotaller, he's amazingly good at the late night drunk tweet.

coldcanary · 22/01/2017 12:00

Just seen the clip of that spokesman, is he angry because he believes everything he's saying or because he can actually see his post Trump career going down the toilet with every word?

PausingFlatly · 22/01/2017 12:07

Yes, and the ability to communicate directly with people has been used very effectively by Trump campaigners.

Many of the same people were involved in the Brexit campaign: the political data-profiling company Cambridge Analytica gave both campaigns better targeting - not better arguments or policies, just better targeting of voters.

Combine that with Google, Facebook and YouTube prompting users towards more of the same ("people who liked that, went on to watch this"), and a lot of people on are on the receiving end of a very focussed "news" stream.

The greater number of channels for information isn't inevitably leading to people getting a broader view: for many, it's narrowing their view as they get more of what they already agree with.

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 12:07

He must know that he is pedaling crap.

It's like when you try on a skirt 2 sizes too small and stand in front of the mirror, furiously sycking in your belly and tucking your bottom in and saying 'thats fine, it a good fit, might slack with wear, I did have a very large breakfast...'

PausingFlatly · 22/01/2017 12:09

It's a FAKE SKIRT!

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 12:10

It's a lying mirror controlled by the corrupt media.

PausingFlatly · 22/01/2017 12:11

Just can't trust a Mainstream Mirror. Shock

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 12:12

This would all be almost funny if it was some small country in say, south america or Africa. It's the hanging Chad's all over again. The world watches with its jaw on be floor .

amispartacus · 22/01/2017 12:12

it's narrowing their view as they get more of what they already agree with

Indeed. It's very easy to live and engage only with people who think like you. Then you start to think that your views are typical and not too extreme.

I am sure many people do that on all sides. It's hard to engage though with people who seem to live in a post truth world.

DJBaggySmalls · 22/01/2017 12:17

Livelovebehappy
Can't see the point of the marches.
...Why no protest marches for those women?

Why do people keep saying that Western women are responsible for the emancipation of Muslim women? Why arent Muslim men responsible for that? Or western men?
Western women are fighting for their own rights. Trump has said he is in favour of prosecuting women who have had an abortion.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 22/01/2017 12:26

The greater number of channels for information isn't inevitably leading to people getting a broader view: for many, it's narrowing their view as they get more of what they already agree with

Yes yes I do get that, but I still think Trump won't be able to control things in a stable predictable way, I think all bets are off, anything could happen, the orange cat is among the pigeons

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 12:36

You can't tweak the nose of the press for long. I can imagine the editorial meetings 'ok the gloves are off...'

Formerpigwrestler9 · 22/01/2017 12:39

Or will members of the press start getting the polonium umbrella treatment?

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 12:44

Very high mortality rate for Russian journalists recently. Hmm

originalmavis · 22/01/2017 12:46

Nooooooo. Surely Saint Putin wouldn't allow this? He's too busy kissing babies and helping little old ladies across the street isn't he?

InformalRoman · 22/01/2017 12:46

Uh-oh, incoming from twitter:

Donald J. Trump ‏*@realDonaldTrump* 6m6 minutes ago
Had a great meeting at CIA Headquarters yesterday, packed house, paid great respect to Wall, long standing ovations, amazing people. WIN!

Meanwhile, back on Planet Reality:

"Former CIA Director Brennan is deeply saddened and angered at Donald Trump's despicable display of self-aggrandizement in front of CIA's Memorial Wall of Agency heroes," Nick Shapiro said in a statement. "Brennan says that Trump should be ashamed of himself."