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All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!

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Roussette · 21/01/2017 14:40

Here we are!

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GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:06

The proTrump people I know are very much blinded. He is wonderful and the media are out to get him. The women's march was just "sore losers and women that don't know their place and all those other immoral people that have ruined our country" and they should know their place or leave the country.

Lweji · 22/01/2017 09:06

I LOVE that CNN title:

"White House press secretary attacks media for accurately reporting inauguration crowds"

TRUE! So so TRUE. The most truest reporting. Because they're like smart.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/01/2017 09:08

You can judge how much it rained watching the splashes on the bullet proof glass. It rained lightly for approx 6 mins of his speech.

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:08

My prediction is Marshall law declared by Trump by first of February.

amispartacus · 22/01/2017 09:10

From Fox news:

Washington's city government estimated 1.8 million people attended President Barack Obama's 2009 inauguration, making it the largest gathering ever on the Mall.

Aerial photographs showed that the crowds for Trump's inauguration were smaller than in 2009.

Spicer's rebuke followed a larger-than-expected turnout for women's marches protesting Trump across the United States on Saturday, including at the flagship event in Washington, where a crowd of hundreds of thousands clogged the streets and appeared to be larger than those who came for Trump's inauguration.

Spicer, who did not take questions from reporters, said spaces for 720,000 people were full when Trump took his oath.

He also said the National Park Service does not put out official crowd counts. "No one had numbers."

Washington's Metro subway system said 193,000 users had entered the system by 11 a.m. on Friday, compared with 513,000 at that time during Obama's 2009 inauguration.

On Saturday, Metro reported ridership of 275,000 at 11 a.m. as it struggled to handle the crowd converging on downtown Washington for the protest march.

I REALLY hope the media - and that includes those who support him - use their platform to pull Trump up on things like this.

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:10

I'll admit that while watching, when I noted clouds and rain, I pondered the possibility that he might be struck by lightning. Imagine the headlines. Trump Toasted. Grin

Spudlet · 22/01/2017 09:15

The worrying thing isn't that it rained, it's that he cares enough about something so utterly incidental and trivial to lie about it so obviously... it's just mind-boggling.

It smacks either of a person who is shitting themselves at the position they've got themselves into and who is therefore desperately trying to distract themselves and everyone else from this fact by concentrating on minutiae.

Or of a person so utterly disconnected from reality that he really thinks that this shit matters. And that everyone will believe him if he repeats it enough times.

He's not competent for this job and if he doesn't know that, there are plenty of sharks swimming around him that do. The second there's blood in the water, they'll bite. But for now, he's a loud, distracting, useful idiot who will allow them to get on with doing what they want.

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:19

I agree. I think many in government supported him because they thought he could be manipulated. Some I imagine thought his antics would keep the public eyes on him while the republican government pushed through what they wanted. America is going to falter and they will be wide open for attack.

Spudlet · 22/01/2017 09:20

Actually, I think it's the latter... and that he has by now convinced himself that what he's saying is true. Which is why he gets so angry when challenged with facts.

Lweji · 22/01/2017 09:20

On that CNN link the conference video was followed by SNL Putin addressing his new nation. Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/01/2017 09:20

that's true Spudlet. It's a ridiculous thing to be focussed on.

When Fox turns on a republican, you know there's a massive issue.

Everytimeref · 22/01/2017 09:21

All media is dishonest. All of them spread fake news.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 22/01/2017 09:24

If the Republican party and other politicians are deliberately giving Trump space and enough rope to hang himself, he's a gift. On day 1 he got off to a flying start. There's been no improvement in his behaviour, if anything he is worse.

Anyone else feeling like reality has jumped the tracks and we're now in inhabiting a parrallel reality, 'many worlds' style? I thought 2016 was crackers, but it looks like 2017 will supersede it in record time.

Lweji · 22/01/2017 09:25

The worrying thing isn't that it rained, it's that he cares enough about something so utterly incidental and trivial to lie about it so obviously

Yes, and the crowds. I was thinking that while listening to the Press statement.
The press is always held accountable. There isn't one press and they try to outdo eachother. If they're all reporting the same, then it is probably true.

Good on Congress for delaying approvals. I wonder if they'll have the courage to deny some.
The administration must be having a hard time.

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 09:26

America is going to falter and they will be wide open for attack
Hoping that the fact that Mattis, Secretary of Defence disagrees with him on NATO, and torture will temper what happens next.

Even the right wing pro Trump British press seems to have noticed he's not 'very well'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/21/president-trump-sounded-like-ranting-fascist-hope-finds-inner/

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:27

I'm just waiting for his standard early morning tweet. Any time now. Will he declare the women's march as fake news?

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:28

Congress is republican led. I wouldn't count on them to do the right thing.

Chippednailvarnishing · 22/01/2017 09:31

I watched the Sean Spicer's speech toddler tantrum just before bed last night and it really reminded me of Comical Ali, Saddam Hussein's spokesman in the 1st gulf war...
"We're winning, you maybe bombing us to pieces, but we're winning".

Brokenbiscuit · 22/01/2017 09:33

The more I think about that press briefing, the more I feel that the whole thing is just terrifying.

It's all very 1984, isn't it? Trump seems to think that he can re-write what actually happened by telling us what he thinks should have happened. Post-truth politics indeed!

And as a previous poster said, the fact that he cares so much about this trivial shit is also very worrying. It's all about his own ego.

The man is dangerous. I really don't know where this will all end up, but I'm frightened for the future.

amispartacus · 22/01/2017 09:33

"Trump also misrepresented what happened to the weather during his swearing in. He said he felt a few drops of rain as he started delivering his address, but then, “God looked down and, and he said we’re not going to let it rain on your speech.. . .The truth is it stopped immediately"

Yet just after the speech, the pastor said that rain is a sign of God's blessing - and it started to rain when it got to the platform.

#contradiction

SanFranBear · 22/01/2017 09:36

I think the most worrying thing about that press conference was highlighted in that CNN link.. that the press secretary for the president does not have rough backbone to say he refuses to lie. Surely he should be building trust with the media so that when things do hit the fan or there is ambiguity about something, the media will help the administration.

I can't help but compare Sean Spicer to CJ Cregg and her integrity. I'm not even being facetious when I say SAD Sad

GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:42

Another huge (yuuuuge) concern for me is him filling all the high level jobs with his family members. The family members that are running his businesses to prevent a conflict of interest ( which in all honesty is still a conflict of interest anyway). He is literally surrounded by those who will cater to him and never tell him the truth or say no.

MsHooliesCardigan · 22/01/2017 09:44

It's all very 1984 isn't it. The thing is that, with the internet, it's very hard to cover your tracks these days. You can deny having said something but someone can then post footage or a tape recording proving that you did say it. There's no way he's going to last 4 years. I know Pence is awful and I know he'd set USA back decades but I think he's less likely to start WW3.
For a bit of light relief, here is Dubya reminding us that diplomacy was never his strong point.

All things reality with Trump, maybe not so beautiful now!
woman12345 · 22/01/2017 09:45
Grin
GingerIvy · 22/01/2017 09:46

Pence would reinstate crusades and ban abortions. Disabled would be proclaimed drains on society and anything other than heterosexual would be illegal.