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To ditch lifelong friends, or am i being 'touchy'? Long, sorry!

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ElllaKeat · 16/01/2017 18:45

This story has been festering with me for a couple of days now, so sorry for the long tale, but need proper feedback.

Backstory is i have a prominent and ugly mastectomy scar. Usually it is covered, but to be honest it does not bother ne if it is revealed, i dont flaunt it, but do not feel embarrassed if it is visible. It is just part of me and after 2 seperate mastectomies, chemotherapy, radiotherapy and delayed reconstructions, i am just happy to be healthy and still alive!

Me and DH have 6 lifelong friends - three married coupes. We have known them all for over thirty years and our social lives mainly involve them. We meet up roughly once a month, for everyones birthday, at Christmas etc. We have always gotten on well, had the usual niggles with each other, but as a crowd, we have all been accepting of each others quirks.

On Friday it was my birthday. We all got together for a meal on Friday night and i wore a new top that i loved. Slightly lower cut than normal, it still covered my scar.......until it kept slipping down had a bloody life of its own. If and when i noticed, i hitched my top up again and thought nothing more of it. DH and i went to the bar whilst waiting for the starters to be served to organise some bubbly and when we came back the atmosphere had changed, i knew something was not right. Things just felt a bit off.

Chatting was fine, on the surface, everything seemed okay, but i just had a feeling that something was wrong.

Anyway, after main course, i nipped to the loo and the woman i would consider my closest friend followed me in. She offered me a clean vest top she had in her gym bag in her car, to wear under my top because she said she could see i was uncomfortable during dinner.

I thought she was being thoughtful and said no, i was fine, it really didnt bother me. She then said 'well it may not bother you, but it bothers us. We dont really want to be looking at that whilst eating - not like you to flaunt it in our faces Ella. You really should think of covering it up. You know we love you, just want everyone, including you to feel comfortable '

I went back into the cubicle and bawled my eyes out, i felt so crap.

Went back to the restaurant but could not make eye contact with anyone and made an excuse to leave as soon as the meal was over.

DH kept asking if i was okay and when i told him he thinks i took it the wrong way and it was concern for me that prompted the loo talk. But it wasnt, i know that. He says if he thought for one minute our friends were that shallow he would firstly tell them what shits they were then never speak to them again, but he cant believe there was any malice in it. But there was. WHY would anyone, let alone a 'friend' tell me to cover up my battle scars?

Or have i really got it wrong?

I fluctuate between being embarrassed, angry and hurt and have lost the plot as to which is the appropriate emotion.

Help me sort this out please.

OP posts:
CommunionHelp · 18/01/2017 01:43

P.s. OP, for whatever reason, you've inspired me to sign up for my first half-marathon this year. There are other satellite reasons, but basically, this thread has made me do it.

antimatter · 18/01/2017 01:59

I am one more of those whom his thread has had in tears on your behalf OP.

I am speechless and so angry on your behalf! They sound so patronizing!!!!! Congratulations on your 5 year all clear! Were they jealous by any chance?
Who needs friends like that. And your husband sounds amazing.

They should be crawling whilst apologising to you and not assuming that they after all they were right and you just overreacted!

AlpacaPicnic · 18/01/2017 02:13

Well, like everyone else said...

Your top is great! I love that cowl neckline and it's a great colour.
Your 'hideous' scar is almost unnoticeable to the casual observer...
The difference in skin colour I would have assumed, as a total stranger, to be a tan line. My 'repulsion level' would have been in the negative...
Those women you know are all a bunch of cunts.
That one DH of theirs sounds like a nice chap.
Your DH sounds like a brilliant chap!

My boss had a mastectomy. I found this out on a night out when she was fiddling with her top a bit, announced to the table 'I can't stand this bloody thing anymore' and whipped out her 'chicken fillet' fake boob - and flung it in her bag! We then spent the rest of the night daring her to send it back to the kitchen on a plate claiming it was undercooked chicken just to see if the chef had a fit...

becausebecausebecause · 18/01/2017 02:15

As the others have said Ella, you look fabulous, the top is gorgeous and your DH just brilliant. You kicked cancer's ass and found out some friend's true colours just in time.

Seriously, the "emotional blackmail, cancer card, victim' bilge just shows that non friend up for what she is. Happy Birthday and go out and make some wonderful new friends who will fall in love with you and your DH as we have.

iogo · 18/01/2017 02:29

I can't add anything other than:
I think you are amazing. Flowers
Your ex friends are shits.
The email writer is a cunt.

I also would like to know where you got the top from. Smile

TheMaddHugger · 18/01/2017 03:48

❤️ 💛 💚 💙 💜 Total Loves and ((((((((((Hugs)))))))) OP ❤️ 💛 💚 💙 💜

Smitff · 18/01/2017 04:10

Your DH and his friend sound like keepers.

People just don't think. The repercussions of something as unthinking and glib (and alll the rest) as what this woman said and wrote are going to be felt by all eight of you, forever. She didn't, couldn't have at any time while you were dealing with the cancer, have given you any real thought. Else she couldn't possibly have come out with this.

People betray themselves when they've done wrong, they lay bare their insecurities and weaknesses. It takes courage to own your mistakes, it's a really admirable quality to visibly be contrite, apologise, learn and change. Sounds like your friend is lacking in this department, and has spoiled it for everyone. Such a shame. You can't unknow what you've learned.

Congrats on your 5 year results. Flowers

NapQueen · 18/01/2017 06:15

Oh my word what a cruel email!

Bad breath / skirts tucked in comparison made me feel a bit sick how utterly awful an attempt at a comparison.

TitaniasCloset · 18/01/2017 06:48

Just cannot fucking believe that email.

What a prize cunt.

DottyS · 18/01/2017 06:54

Ella - I am so sorry this happened to you. Your scar is not bad and your top is lovely so what issue your so called friends had with it I do not know. And as for the email - now that I could never forgive. As others have said that was the most selfish self centred excuse of an apology I have ever heard.

Your DH is (as others have said) a keeper and now you know the truth about your so called friends you can now go and find new ones worthy of your friendship. My love and best wishes to you both Flowers

echt · 18/01/2017 07:14

Wow, have read the catch up after that email. What the flaming fuck???

Your top is lovely. As is your top. Tan lines, I'd have thought.
I don't say this because your "friends" would have the right to be offended had your scars been objectively fearful, they are none of their business.

The email. Who handed that numbnuts a spade when they were already digging? Crass, victim-blaming shite. Me me me. I'm sorry that such an old friend has so comprehensively outed themselves as so epically selfish, heartless and stupid. However you have dodged a late bullet there.Smile

Congratulations on your five-years and your birthday. Thanks

MiniCooperLover · 18/01/2017 07:18

How dare she accuse you of pulling the cancer card and over reacting? That's the end for me right there !!!!

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 18/01/2017 07:26

My mum jokes about "pulling the cancer card" when she wants a cup of tea made, or can't be arsed doing something. But that's ok because she's a cancer survivor and it's up to her to make that joke. It is not ok for anyone else to even say those words, never mind in the context of that email. Not ever.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/01/2017 07:33

That is fantastic communion, good luck💐💐

It's not just a thoughtless comment from them, it's a tirade of venom and jealousy aimed at Ella. How you come back from that, yiu can't, the friendships over! Yiu know these are not true or good friends anymore, they will not support you, they only want to see yiu in yiur perfect and unbroken state, that us not a marker of a true friendship.

So what if Ella had a big scar across her face, or a mark or disfigurement she coukd not hide. I woukd not put it passed them, to nominate a spokesperson, and talk to Ella about putting a covering on her face, not only that, but they will tell yiu, that it makes them feel ill too. If yiu have friends like friends like this, you don't need enemies!

Your better off without them, true friends don't make you feel shit, these have, they are long term friends, but not true friends!

JustSpeakSense · 18/01/2017 07:42

That email was not an apology, it was her trying to justify her actions.

The pulling the 'cancer card' statement is a completely vile thing to say. Her response is very telling of the disgusting person is.

Your life with definitely be so much richer without these people in it.

I adore your top BTW its gorgeous, as are you, your scars are not at all ugly or difficult to look at (so called 'friends' personality is far uglier)

Flowers
Aeroflotgirl · 18/01/2017 07:51

Now they have revealed their true ugly selves, tge friendship is no more, it sounds as though they are all in it together. Not one has called you personally to talk to yiu, and apologise, ask if yiur ok. Vile spokesperson is doing the speaking, as they are all gutless and spineless. New year, new start Ella.

Fantastic news about yiur remission, and again, you look gorgeous😍😍😍😍

ProfYaffle · 18/01/2017 07:53

The e-mail wasn't an apology, it was just an opportunity to put the boot in all over again. "You can hang your breasts out as much as you like" Ugh - vile language. Hope the rest of the group can see it too.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/01/2017 08:03

You are well rod of these horrible shitty people and I am just so sorry you had to find out in such a cruel way

They are utter utter cunts

I hope the unanimous support shows that they are abnormally unkind

Onwards OP Flowers

Waltermittythesequel · 18/01/2017 08:07

I probably would have given you a discreet signal across the table when I noticed your top dropping so you didn't risk flashing everyone Grin

But only if you were fidgeting with it yourself, IYSWIM.

But never with the idea that you shouldnt be showing your scars!!! That is truly disgusting behavior.

And as for the cancer card, well, you can't reason with someone that fucking nasty can you?

I hope you have other friends who are actually decent human beings. Flowers

MercyMyJewels · 18/01/2017 08:36

I can't believe that someone would actually write down those words let alone say or think them. CANCER CARD? PLAYING THE VICTIM? I'm really shocked.

Anyway I agree that it's bloody gaslighting, horrible behaviour. I wouldn't even reply to her. Let her stew in her own nasty unkind head. Cow.

Your DH needs a big kiss. The other bloke sounds lovely too.

Congrats on getting the all clear. Look after yourself and don't waste time on people who don't deserve your time.

Oh and I like your top too

P.S. I really hope that cow uses MN and reads all these comments.

derxa · 18/01/2017 08:49

Ella Thank God you didn't rely on these twats for support during treatment.

Bambamrubblesmum · 18/01/2017 08:54

Just read the entire thread open mouthed.

That so called apology was a vile piece of self absorbed shit. She has shown herself in her true colours and they are very unflattering. The victim card comment just beggars belief.

Well you're well rid of them tbh.

Is she someone's MIL yet? If not I pity the poor sod who ends up with her Grin

Walk tall and into your bright future Flowers

DragonitesRule · 18/01/2017 09:25

Ella-well done on being a strong courageous cancer arse kicking woman.

And your "friends"?...fuck 'em, fuck 'em all

KinkyAfro · 18/01/2017 09:31

Fucking hell. That so called apology email is worse than what they said in the first place. You don't need people like that in your life, friends are supposed to be supportive. Awful awful people

Flowers
Aeroflotgirl · 18/01/2017 09:32

I would write a round e mail, as you can be calm and say what you want to say to them, without getting emotional or them undermining you.

Dear Crap friends (Obviously don't put that)

Wow it's been one hell of a week hasen't it, and a lot has happened between us. Having this awful life threatening illness has made me evaluate my life, and friendships, the events of last week has made me realise who true friends really are, unfortunately though we have known each other for 30 years, you are the not true friends I thought you were.

Life is too short for this, so I am moving forward and letting go of those who are not supportive or encouraging of me.

Good luck with your lives and future

Ella.

Short, to the point, without any emotion or drama. I feel they were not supportive of you during your illness, and probably sprang away, that is why you felt you had to push them away. You have received quite rightly, more support on this thread, than 30 years of friendship with these individuals. When you are feeling down, read this thread. Mabey print it out, and look at the support and encouragement on here.