Some one at the Home Office hasn't thought this through properly

[liberia03]

Wondering if we could have a compassionate thread about UK mothers being told by they may have to leave the country, despite having brought up families here.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/14/dutchwoman-resident-in-uk-for-30-years-may-have-to-leave-after-brexit

pencils 2011 iirc

It's the millions of Brits with work, families etc in Europe who are facing the same thing in reverse.

I've just spotted a bit of good news on this front: The European Parliament's chief negotiator has confirmed that they will offer British citizens the chance to individually opt-in and remain EU citizens.

I honestly don't think people did vote for this. This is not what this country is. It's easier to define enemies.
if you're a leaver and it's not what you want, get writing to your MPs and putting your views out clearly and loudly on social media
sounds good to me.

The time to have screamed about it was during the campaign.
When so many politicians were going on and on about immigrants and let's send away. When they though it was ok to make xenophobic comments that were NEVER challenged. (Even though I'm sure some of them wee actually illegal).

It's only Joe the public that said it would never affect those who are already in the UK. never any of the politicians and certainly never TM

No it was 2015 Living.

PencilsInSpace brilliant. Hope this is a way out. No matter how you look at it, makes
Robert Goodwill and home office look vindictive and incompetent( including last administration with the quietly introduced health insurance leg).

Very interesting Pencils

I honestly don't think people did vote for this

But a curb on immigration was a promise of the leave camp. So why are we surprised that this is now an issue?

I am sure many people voted leave for other reasons, but immigration was part of the deal. You can't surely pretend you didn't know what might happen? You can't on the one hand say control immigration and then on the other say oh, I mean control immigration a different way, surely?

pencils that's for family members.

Theresa May set up the culture at the Home Office to deny as default for the pettiest reasons possible. The culture previously was to not be jobworths and to wave through things if it was obvious that the status of a person was that they should be eligible rather than be bureaucratic and obstructive about it. The process was simple and easy. Like it is in other EU countries (Its a single page in some).

This method was designed for non-EU applications, with the idea that it would deter people from wanting to come here. It invites legal challenges but the idea was that most wouldn't be able to do that nor would want to.

The problem with doing it to EU nationals is you are talking about people who have been here for a long time, and there are rather a lot of them and at some point there will be a collective legal action against the government, which they will loose. It would be near impossible for some to 'go back to where they came from' due to the amount they have invested socially and economically to this country.

It also uses up diplomatic currency and pisses off other countries so it will make life harder for Brits abroad. It could create situations where one partner can't stay here, but the other can't go there either.

It also legitimises the nasty anti-immigration mob.

Its a totally ridiculous position and frankly head should roll for it. Whose's heads? Well, who is responsible for overseeing this....?

& also only for family members of students

Its irrelevant whether people voted for it or not, we are entering unknown territory, upheaval and uncertainty. However, it will all be fine, according to brexiters

Well, who is responsible for overseeing this....? May and Robert Goodwill:
In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system". Labour called this proof that sleaze was "alive and well" within the Conservative party whilst the Conservative Party itself condemned his actions saying "the party does not endorse the fiddling of expenses or the impression given that the system should be made available for personal profit". Goodwill later donated £2,000 to local charities following feedback from constituents
Using EU for personal profit, and now............?.

I hope you are right Tuckers I was convinced until this week when I read (wish I could remember where) that there could be an issue with ROI citizens down the line.

I am astonished so many leave voters are amazed that this is the way things are going. What on earth did they think would happen in this area? I would genuinely like to know.

Robert Goodwill is Immigration Minister at Home Office.

Returning to the 'it's not what people voted for' claim, there's a thread on the EU Referendum board currently where a leave voter is complaining that our British identity was being eroded by 'people who would rather identify as European'. It is absolutely disingenous to suggest that immigration wasn't a massive factor in the result.

Give me the most outright xenophobic bigotry over the mealy-mouthed, complacent, passive 'oh, it'll be okay - don't worry' attitude.

What are you going to do, to make sure it's okay? Bugger all, most likely, except distance yourself from the problem. 'This isn't what Leavers voted for!' This situation has been entirely enabled by the Leave vote.

Why do you assume our current government is capeable of making compassionate, even rational, decisions about this? We have an utterly ineffectual left-wing, and a Conservative party with a proven record of non-compassionate actions, trying not to lose voters to a further-right-wing party.

And why is 'it's just a negotiating ploy' supposed to be a reassuring response? Any government willing to let people hang in limbo about their residency rights, while it (painfully, incompetently) muddles through a protracted negotiation process with no clear plan - this is a shamelessly ruthless and compassion-free course of action.

tiggy no it's not. Or ta the very least not in the way Britain is doing it because no other Eu country that I know off will send someone who is ammried to one of its citizens 'back home'

For the very simple reason that I have highlighted before. This will split family and be very detrimental to the children and their very own citizens.

Besides, the rule to move to another EU country has never been about having a private insurance. It talks about working in the country or looking for work. It talks about ensuring you have your own revenue, which could be a pension or from your spouse. There is no talk about. Private insurance because countries like France do NOT have any private health insurance the way it's set up here.

Haven't had a chance to read all the posts. Pretty worried about this, my SIL is dual nationality Portuguese / South African. She's lived here since she was 15 but has spent several months at a time in SA. Her husband (my DB) is British (although born at a military base in Germany), my nephew was born here and has a British passport. SIL has a letter that entitles her to work here and is looking into applying for a British passport however can't yet as she has been out of the country too much recently to qualify, also I think it's expensive?
Surely to god they can't separate families like this?

The government will come up with an alternative to this. Otherwise there will be an influx of justifiable human rights claims under the right to a family and private life, that will take years and years for the Home Office to get through and make them look even more ridiculous than they do already.

British identity was being eroded by 'people who would rather identify as European
Presumably said poster is a fluent Celtic or Gailic speaker as they are the only native languages on this island. I couldn't write this sentence if it wasn't for immigrant languages.
I still think that the by election results in Sunderland and Richmond are a sign of things to come and British people are not racist, not anti immigrant and are rejecting it from whichever party it comes from.

Because there as been naivety about it before, doesn't mean that cases like this aren't showing what racist policies mean in practice.

Come on. We're talking about the Guardian fgs. Obviously they will dig up these stories to push their stance on Remain forward. I'll bet my house that this woman will not be asked to leave the country - she will be fine. Once she has the letter giving her and her family notice to leave the UK, then we can all get angry about it, but I suspect this story is just trying to whip up a frenzy about something that might, but probably won't, happen.

The Martians there is a requirement for comprehensive health coverage for students or those who are self-sufficient. The EHIC works while here for EU nationals, but when applying for a permanent residence card the UK government hasn't recognised it. Case law is undecided on this, as it hasn't been tested to the full extent.

The NHS is different to all other EU countries who have an insurance approach to healthcare of varying degrees. The comprehensive health coverage has never really worked for the NHS, but it hasn't really had to until now.

justifiable human rights claims under the right to a family and private life
May wants to abandon ECHR, so those rights will disappear.