Some one at the Home Office hasn't thought this through properly

[liberia03]

Wondering if we could have a compassionate thread about UK mothers being told by they may have to leave the country, despite having brought up families here.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/14/dutchwoman-resident-in-uk-for-30-years-may-have-to-leave-after-brexit

My situation... I have been in the UK for over 10 years. DS is 7, I am a single mother as my DP (British) died a couple of years ago. My DS is British (got British passport) and doesn't speak my first language as we have always spoken English at home. I was planning to apply for British citizenship and passed my 'Life in the UK' test, then DP died and other issues took priority. Over the years I was in full and part time jobs, on maternity leave, no work for some months, carer for 2 years and self employed with a small income, no benefits. Never heard about the insurance until last year.
I have applied for PR and now waiting for the outcome, getting stressed...

I have no plans to go back. DS went there only once for holiday last year, as I didn't visit 'my home country' for over 7 years. His home is here, he doesn't know any other...
Will HO tell me to go back and leave DS here???

On a different note...
Even if it causes me a lot of stress and anxiety, I can't help thinking that in 10-15 years UK will be better off outside EU.

Extraordinary!
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On Wednesday, Anne-Laure Donskoy and I (the two co-chairs of the3million) were invited by Parliament to present a series of evidence to the MPs who are members of the Brexit Select Committee

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Mistigri and Martians I have already begun applying for French citizenship - but I am still scared for what the future holds, especially with Marine Le Pen likely in line for the presidency in 2017. I am also so sad and angry for my British friends who are also married to French men who have either not been married for long enough and/or not resident for long enough to be able to go down the citizenship route.

We do not have children yet but I semi-resent the implication (whether by you, or just governments in general) that I would be prioritised if I did.

We do not have children yet but I semi-resent the implication (whether by you, or just governments in general) that I would be prioritised if I did

Children don't give you additional rights in the naturalisation process (except in some very specific circumstances) but the parent of a French child has a right to a residence permit so that they can remain in France to raise their kid. I'm a bit shocked that anyone would find anything to resent in that .

Good luck with the naturalisation process. We need to start ours now that we have both kids sorted out!

Angeli I think that what has been said is that the immigration system and naturalisation systems are very different in the UK and in mainland Europe.
That's just a fact.
Just as it is a fact that mainland eu countries will not split families.

On the contrary, the uk has no issue to send away a parent whose children or spouse is british.
This is a fact too, that has been proven when the immigration laws changed abut a year ago.

I don't resent specifically the notion of keeping families together. Of course not. But equally, people in loving relationships (without children!) are important too.

I don't resent specifically the notion of keeping families together. Of course not. But equally, people in loving relationships (without children!) are important too.

The married partners of French citizens already benefit from a fast track to citizenship.

The right to a resident's card for foreign parents raising children with French nationality is mainly useful where the foreign parent is separated from a French partner (and so has no fast-track access to citizenship), or where both parents are foreign (as is our case - both British with dual nationality "anchor babies").

Compare to the uk, its pretty easy (and much much cheaper!) to get the french citizenship as a partner/wife of a french citizen.

I'm not sure what you resenting? That people are saying its easier on the continent than the UK?
That its easier if you have dcs?

Rules are rules. How can you be resentful of the rules?

However, I hope you agree that splitting a family and the effect it would have on the children is crap. Particularly crap. Because they aren't independent, they havent add an input/responsibility in the situation and certainly cant do anything about it.
As an adult, you have a choice and a freedom that you dont have when children are in the mix. And a lack of responsibility too.

I did that wo children. Moved to two different countries wo a backward glance because I knew that worst coming to the worst, I could fall back on my feet and be back home (even if with a broken heart).
With children? VERY VERY different.

It's wrong, and EU to investigate.
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here we go

I am going to change gear on this one.

Looking at what Trump has done and looking at what May has done, I think it's time for immigration officials to seriously look to their consciences in what they are now doing in both countries.

These expulsions, deportations, threats, harassment are not administrative or to do with the EU or terrorism, they are political.

Those carrying out this work should down tools, in the interest of humanity in all its senses. Work with their unions to stop this madness.

Not much chance of that.

There has never been an oppressive regime that collapsed due to a shortage of camp guards, secret police, or torturers.

Sadly, PJ speaks the truth

The nearest collapse I know of was in November 1989, when instructions were misinterpreted and the border guards didn't know what to do. Crowds refused to disperse. Nobody dared machine-gun the crowds or bring out the tanks in case they had it wrong.

Mr Putin was in Berlin at the time and is reported to believe that such force should have been used to destroy the crowds. It is said that he is determined not to allow popular power to triumph again.

Look at 6.18

They have lost control and don't know what to do.

To go back to the original question, I actually think the Home Office thought it through very carefully

They want to show Joe public that they understand their concerns about immigration and that they are reducing numbers.

The CSI requirement (5 yrs sickness insurance) is perfect for this: it means carers/sahp's/parents who work part time without 5 yrs sickness insurance (like me) can get turfed out.

The Daily Mail and the Telegraph and Brexiteers will be delighted to hear all this immigrants who "do not financially contribute" and having been using the nhs are being sent away.

Thesersa May also wants to get rid of the human rights law (esp. article 8) she said. The only thing protecting us AFTER Brexit...

It looks to me they thought it through perfectly and are ona mission to reduce immigrant numbers.

The fact that families will be split up (DH and kids are British, we have lived here over 10 years) does not concern Brexiteers/Home Office/Media (honourable exception for the Guardian here)

It's all part of a grand plan to get rid of immigrants. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.

My 4 week old is suffering from colic, well thats what ive been told, im currently giving her colief after infacol didnt work. Struggling to give her the colief at every feed, as im not getting time to express, she wont take it from a spoon and cries when i try and during the day she feeds every 2 hours!! Its a lot of faffing and means we cannot do anything but stay at home. Can anyone help? Thinking about trying them orally during a feed? When her breast milk has lined her throat. Any tips would be a god send!!

There has never been an oppressive regime that collapsed due to a shortage of camp guards, secret police, or torturers.

Look at victories in:
South Africa
Liberia
Chile

The people have the power.

www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-your-mp/

Phone your MP today. Tell them what you think.
They are getting worried about triggering A50.
The demonstrations have scared them.

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@Archfarchnad, we weren't married at the time as I was going through a long and complicated divorce, but we had children, and he had always worked since the age of 17. Also, he was working throughout our time living there in a secure, well paid (ish) job: the same job he'd had since 17 (although he'd obviously moved up the ladder a bit by the end).

You are also right in that I was referring to others in the same position as I was back then.
I don't know if it would have been different at that time if we were married as it wasn't something we looked into (because we weren't, and IMO that's not a reason to get married; or rather that's the wrong reason to marry).
We were planning to marry eventually, when finances and my martial status allowed.