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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
user1478265589 · 12/01/2017 15:40

The email draft is far to concentrated on the mother and not the son. It comes across as a bit sanctimonious and even if the son suspects his mother's a bit of a hopeless case, he lives with her, he will love her and he won't want to hear such criticism.

Just say you can't bail him out any more, but you're in a good position to help advise with the debt and would like to meet in person for a general catch-up. Suggest a Saturday when you're free, and see what his response is.

dustarr73 · 12/01/2017 15:40

I think you should trim the letter,bringing his mam in to it will only get his back up.Even if its true.

I did think the reason "ds" doesnt want to meet,is because its the ex writing the emails.It just doesnt ring through for me.It seems something the ex would do from what you have written.Calling him Dad and signing from ds seems very manipulative.

But no i wouldnt give him anymore money.

user1478265589 · 12/01/2017 15:40

too*

Ergh!

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 15:40

I doubt I would ever meet him - even if he and OH did meet up, it would probably soon fizzle out given that they haven't seen each other in a decade, and the resistance from his mum and his sister.

If their relationship did get off the ground and a later meeting with me was on the cards, I'd be absolutely bricking it!

But like I say, I can't see that happening in all honesty.

OP posts:
Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:43

I'm sure it's a weird situation from your POV but you said yourself he seems like a lovely young man.

Try not to think of him as "the son of the unstable ex" or however you phrased it upthread. He's his own person and maybe he needs help getting free a bit. (If it is him emailing).

Allthebestnamesareused · 12/01/2017 15:44

I am afraid I am of the view that DS probably has no debt but is expecting to OH to clear ExW's current debts!

GlitteryFluff · 12/01/2017 15:46

Raffles Shock

girlelephant · 12/01/2017 15:47

I think with the amendments from Blunt so it doesn't focus on the Mum but the issues in hand it's good.

Perhaps end with DH missing him and being sorry that the contact is only financial thus far and meeting face to face would give a chance for advice and to build a relationship.

I think he has seen DH as an ATM and thought it was acceptable not to see gin, unfortunately your husband is partly to blame for letting it go on as long.

Please let us know the outcome it all seems so sad

girlelephant · 12/01/2017 15:48

Raffles how horrendous! I feel so sorry that you went through this and a warning to be wary of people's motives Shock

YorkiesGlasses · 12/01/2017 15:49

It is rather ominous that he has only ever contacted his father figure to ask for money...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/01/2017 15:53

I think the email's very fair, but while your OH (quite rightly) insists on meeting face to face to advise rather than actually offering cash, I doubt DS will be interested. After all, OH tried over the car/driving lessons and got nowhere, so I doubt his would be different

I also agree with PPs who've said this is almost certainly being driven by his mother, and would in fact worry about who exactly was writing the messages Hmm

Headofthehive55 · 12/01/2017 15:54

Financial advice only - give him the skills to go forward and sort his own mess out.
Money won't help long term.

Rafflesway · 12/01/2017 15:57

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trulybadlydeeply · 12/01/2017 15:58

I'm sorry, but much as I appreciate the difficult situation the DS is in, I think he's taking advantage of your OH.

This man has paid thousands and thousands for his school fees, plus paid the majority of the household expenses for many years, has more recently been giving him "pocket money" (I'm sorry, I wouldn't call £1000 a year merely pocket money), and now he wants MORE money from him?? Why on earth should he? By all means he can offer practical and emotional support, as you have put in the email - help with sorting out the debts etc, perhaps ensuring he seeks medical support for his mental health, but why should he just hand over more money? ultimately this won't teach him responsibility.

TBH, I think there are many biological parents who would refuse to hand over money for debts that adult children have got into. He's working full time, it does not have to lead to homelessness, but he needs some professional debt management advice asap.

Incidentally, what about his biological father? Why isn't he supporting him, or why hasn't the DS got in touch with him via social media???

Does DS ever just get in touch with OH to ask how he is? Or is it always for money? I really believe he is taking him for a ride.

waterrat · 12/01/2017 15:58

haven't rtft. But I think your OH needs to go back to basics here re. the DS. He needs to say that he loved him as a child, would love a relationship with him now but needs to build that steadily and face to face. He could say that he can't morally keep giving money into situations he doesn't fully understand.

It must have broken your DH heart to lose access to such young children when he cared so much - I can't imagine how painful that would be.

I'm sure he is desperate to make up for losing them/ leaving them etc - but this is a really really dysfunctional set up at the moment. Hard and painful as it will be for him to say no to a child he feels enormously guilty about - he needs to be real about what he is doing here.

make clear wht he is offering and ask this boy to be part of your life - if he doesn't want to, then he has to stop the contact.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:59

Why would you daughter not be safe Raffles?

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 12/01/2017 16:00

OP, you sound such a lovely person.
As you really, truly don't know your DHs Son's motives, or indeed if it is both him and his Mother at work, your DH should condense his email, into the draft that Timeforteaplease, has provided, it's more direct.
On no account whatsoever, must you invite this young brave, to live with you. Your life together is well established and happy, no one needs, or wants a caterpillar in their salad?
Direct him to the relevant services, who can provide him with advice.
He is no longer a child. If he had wanted to resume a relationship with your DH, he would have done so, by now. I think your DH should omit the line, " I had to do it for myself once, but I can't do it at a distance. I think we need to meet and chat it through."
I believe that we all make mistakes, your DH, needs to drop the guilt, and let this young man go figure it out for himself.
I am sorry if you find my words harsh, but I stand by them.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 16:01

truly children are not endebtted to parents for paying household bills and educational expenses during their childhoods.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 16:02

endebted

JohnHunter · 12/01/2017 16:02

Not biologically or legally his children? Ex-wife was manipulative and then denied access? This son is only in touch by email and to ask for money? Your DH sounds like a saint and, in any event, I think he ought to remove himself from this situation asap.

Summerwood1 · 12/01/2017 16:03

It's a no from me.

Rafflesway · 12/01/2017 16:05

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Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 12/01/2017 16:06

I think some people are writing as if he is 16/17 not 22. At 22, the son is really old enough to decide if he wants a proper relationship with his dad rather than just using him as a cash cow. Lots of people are manipulated by their parents, but by early twenties have managed to break free, live their own lives and decide if they want to see absent parents. If he's still living with and completely enthralled to his mum/sister then nothing will change in the next decade anyway.

It's not possible to give him the money without meeting up (I would suggest not giving it anyway if you have a lodger and need it yourself) and just carry on. Now is the time to say 'no', it doesn't work like that.

Whatever you do or say to that email, if you don't give him any money, he'll disappear anyway. I guess that is the bit that really hurts.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 16:07

That all sounds horrific Raffles but I'm sure it's at the unusual end of the scale thank goodness.

I'm glad you got it all sorted out and are okay now Flowers

NathanBarleyrocks · 12/01/2017 16:11

The son has already clearly demonstrated that he has just been using your OH as a cash cow for years without ever wanting to build a relationship with him. Therefore I wouldn't give him a penny.