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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

732 replies

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:20

I'm not so sure about the tone of that either. It's certainly not going to 'start him thinking' about anything that hasn't occurred to him already. What is it you're hoping to achieve exactly?

If the family are on the skids, the poor lad understandably sees it as his place to try to help his mum and his sister so an long, subtle denigration of his mother in writing isn't going to hit the spot.

Why not just message back "I'd like to see how I can help but I decided after the driving lessons that I wouldn't just send cash in response to SM messages again. This isn't a healthy or normal way to conduct a relationship. If you want to meet up and have a chat about it all, that would be great. I'd love to see you and see for myself how you are. Dad x"

Face to face will either happen and be much more productive than letters. or it won't.

Floralnomad · 12/01/2017 15:21

Whatever letter you send I wouldn't sign it dad , I'd sign it from both of your names , I assume you and your OH have some kind of shared finances so it's actually a decision for both of you . However he feels he is not this young mans dad , and I would definitely offer practical help but no more money .

RogueStar01 · 12/01/2017 15:23

Since it was addressed to Dad, if Dad isn't on the response, that'll be taken as a snub, that doesn't seem quite right to me.

Bluntness100 · 12/01/2017 15:23

Ive amended , here is what I'd send,

Dear DS,

I’m truly sorry to hear that things are so bad at the moment.

I have thought long and hard about how to respond to your message. After our last exchange, I’d decided to decline any further requests for financial assistance as you are now a working adult, although it’s clear from your message that you have gotten yourself somewhat in over your head financially.

It sounds like what you really need at this stage is some proper, real-world financial advice far more than you do cash. If you’re struggling with overdrafts and credit card debt to this extent, I’m sure you realise that any money I or anyone else were able to provide would be just a “drop in the ocean” - particularly if nothing is being done to get the overall situation under control.

To be able to assiste with debt advice i would need to know more about the current situation. i.e. how did your debt pile up in the short time you’ve had credit available? Exactly how much are we talking about? Are your current outgoings still more than your incomings and is the debt currently being cut down / added to still? What is owing and where?

Although I can’t help pay your debt off for you – I can help you sort out this debt situation by dealing with the right agencies, and help get you on your feet again that way. I had to do it for myself once, do you wish to meet and chat it through?

Finally, it also sounds like you need some help in your living situation, once the financial situation is back under control, renting a room via www.spareroom.co.uk with other people your age is affordable and would be really worth considering.

This is probably not the immediate response you wanted to hear, but I want to provide any advice or guidance on a practical level that I can as to how you can best move forward from this,

Love,

Dad

PyongyangKipperbang · 12/01/2017 15:24

What you said about the emails and phone calls would explain why he doesnt want to meet up face to face, he probably got far worse abuse from them himself.

He really does sound like he needs physically rescuing from this situation.

loobyloo1234 · 12/01/2017 15:24

I honestly think the DS is taking the piss. I understand he may be in a difficult situation but he is take, take, take. Maybe I'm being harsh?

Email sounds fine, if a little wordy. Gets the point across though. Your OH should not be guilt-ed into giving more money - support alone should be enough for now, so that DS know he is there if he needs him, and is not just a bank

Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:25

it could be that his mum and sister are making any contact with DH really difficult for the DS and that's why he doesn't want to meet in person. They clearly have a strong hold over him if they were willing to ring up screeching over some emails. It's just possible the DS is in a really hard position with his mum and sister as they don't want him to have any relation with your DP

This. He could well be in a terrible bind for various reasons.

Don't put any denigration of his mother in writing and potentially make it worse for him if she reads it.

Also, insisting on no help without a meeting, gives him an excuse to come and meet if he's under overt pressure not to.

Fluffycloudland77 · 12/01/2017 15:25

It could all be a con.

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 15:26

Thank you all - this is all really useful feedback.

I will show OH this thread and advise his to send the letter along Bluntness' lines.

Thank you very much for reading and contributing.

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Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:26

All the more reason to push for a face to face fluffy

Otherpeoplesteens · 12/01/2017 15:27

Here's a thought. Was DS ever made to feel that he had some sort of responsibility to his mother and sister as the 'man of the house' after the divorce? It might help explain why he's carrying the can for them.

Timeforteaplease · 12/01/2017 15:28

How about this version?

Dear DS,

I’m truly sorry to hear that things are so bad at the moment.

I have thought long and hard about how to respond to your message. After our last exchange, I’d decided to decline any further requests for financial assistance because you are now a working adult.

However, it’s clear from your message that you have gotten yourself somewhat in over your head financially.

It sounds like what you really need at this stage is some proper, real-world financial advice. If you’re struggling with overdrafts and credit card debt to this extent, I’m sure you realise that any money I or anyone else were able to provide would be just a “drop in the ocean” - particularly if nothing is being done to get the overall situation under control.

I can’t pay your debt off for you – however, I can help you sort out this debt situation by dealing with the right agencies, and help get you on your feet again that way. I had to do it for myself once, but I can’t do it at a distance. I think we need to meet and chat it through.

This is probably not the immediate response you wanted to hear, but I want to provide any advice or guidance on a practical level that I can as to how you can best move forward from this,

Love,

Dad

Bigcocksuckyballs · 12/01/2017 15:29

Personally I think there's too much waffle in the letter. I think the son may read the first few paragraphs and no further, most of it reads like your husband blames his son for his predicament, which may or may not be the case. Maybe say you aren't in a financial position at the moment to offer money but can offer financial advice. The less said the better.

RogueStar01 · 12/01/2017 15:29

as long as your boundaries are clear, your DP won't get conned out of a lot more money, this DS has been brought up by a mum that is clearly very dysfunctional, could be that his norms are all off. I agree, you might want to assume the mum is able to read it.

Bigcocksuckyballs · 12/01/2017 15:29

Sorry I meant the original letter.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:31

Maybe what he'd really, secretly like is to escape for half a day, see his Dad again and get some emotional support.

It's such a cold letter.

I really feel for the poor lad.

Otherpeoplesteens · 12/01/2017 15:34

How about a simple message:

Dear DS

This is too important to discuss over email. Can we meet up to talk about it face to face?

Love, Dad

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 15:35

It isn't meant as cold, as OH's feelings are the exact opposite - we are posting this as we really feel for him too.

Maybe a line at the end reiterating how much OH would love to have a relationship with him, and offering emotional support...?

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NotCitrus · 12/01/2017 15:35

Call me totally cynical, but if contact has only been by email or Facebook, are you sure that it's actually the ds and not his mother that your DP is writing to?

emmyhNL · 12/01/2017 15:36

I really feel for your OH as it sounds like he's being pulled for his wallet. Agree with the others about not getting him more cash but practical help

BillSykesDog · 12/01/2017 15:36

I agree with rally. I would suspect that the ex wife has either set up the profile or is sending the messages from it. This long with no meet up is suspicious and I would think that indicates it is not him.

Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:37

Dear DS

This is too important to discuss over email. Can we meet up to talk about it face to face?

Love, Dad

Yes, that's probably the way to do it.

OP are you nervous about actually meeting him yourself?

RogueStar01 · 12/01/2017 15:37

bit I think that's a good idea personally, to send a clear signal that you do care. You can't be conned out of money unless you hand it over, at the end of the day.

Rafflesway · 12/01/2017 15:38

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Manumission · 12/01/2017 15:39

Maybe a line at the end reiterating how much OH would love to have a relationship with him, and offering emotional support...?

Yes. Whatever you do, make clear that that's on offer.

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