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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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UserPlusLongNumber · 14/07/2017 02:06

You posted about this before OP. What was the consensus then?

Ginosaji · 14/07/2017 03:01

Tesco wont give him a job because he don't drive? I smell bullshit! I work for tesco, in fact I'm up at this ungodly hour as I'm getting ready to go to work, and guess what? I dont drive!

In one way it sounds like it could be the ex pretending to be her son thinking that will play on your dh emotions in order to scam money, or it could really be him, but that just means that he's a selfish entitled git who don't care about your dh, if he did he would be happy to meet up & have a relationship

This has been going on for too long for any real chance that he will want a relationship, assuming it is him of course, either way he should get no more money

juneau · 14/07/2017 08:04

Delete his emails, block him and accept once and for all that whoever is sending your these messages is not yours or your DH's responsibility.

He is trying to scam you - or at least SOMEONE is trying to scam you. Whether that's him, his DM, or some random person he once told about how generous your DH has been in the past. His refusal to meet is very, very suspicious. Makes me think it's not him at all - it's a Nigerian in an internet cafe ... But even if it IS him, he's a grown man, an adult, and your DH owes him NOTHING!

StarlitTrees · 14/07/2017 08:42

If you're adamant about continuing contact I would suggest messaging his Facebook account something along the lines of "thanks for your last email, my number is XXX, call me to discuss this further. Or I'd be happy to call you if you let me know your number."

It's possible ExW is emailing without his knowledge. At least you know a Facebook message would get to him. And if that's the case this would be the first he knows about the emails.

I wouldn't email without DH knowledge. As horrendously frustrating this situation is, you don't want to cause problems between you and DH, which sending an email behind his back would.

As PPs have said, just become a broken record and just keep replying with the above to any further correspondence.

He/she just keeps giving you excuses and BS about what you're putting in your emails and youre going round in circles. There's nothing they can say to the above message other than they won't ring you or to actually get in touch (which we know they won't).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/07/2017 09:26

Actually, juneau's post suggests an idea ... couldn't you access your DH's phone and block the chancer's number?

No need to actually send any reply, but just prevent any further contact?

Bittornhelp · 14/07/2017 09:29

I am certainly not adamant. I wish he would just go away!

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aaaaargghhhhelpme · 14/07/2017 09:41

Does your DH realise that all his emails have fallen on deaf ears yet?

Sorry to say but I think he needs to have that 'realisation' light bulb moment. When he sees what you and everyone else here sees - whoever is emailing you just wants money. They don't want a relationship. They don't want advice. Just cold hard cash.

Once he does you can shut this down quicker

I would go with a broken record type reply - just repeat a paragraph of your precious email - you're here for financial advice. Just give me a call if you'd like to meet up.

Keep it short and sweet. And if you get more emails - just send the same bloody reply. You're not ignoring him. You're not cutting him off. You're still offering support just not the financial kind.

Hope you're both ok

TheSecretMrsFairbrother · 14/07/2017 10:10

Something that's just occurred to me (apologies if it's already been mentioned up thread) but is it possible that DS has a drug addiction?

Would explain the desperate need for money and maybe he doesn't want to meet as his appearance would give it away if that makes sense.

user1497455653 · 14/07/2017 10:31

I would offer him to come round for dinner to discuss - offer to collect and drop him back home if you have too. If he is serious of help he will accept the offer.

I would be more inclined to offer a 'plan'. Perhaps have him move in with you for 4 weeks until you can find him a property that is affordable (shared house, bedsit, flat etc dependant on income).

At 22 he is more than mature enough to have his own place and simply giving cash doesn't solve his problems long term.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 14/07/2017 10:49

*Previous email not bloody precious email!!!

Sorry.

StarlitTrees · 14/07/2017 10:50

Yes sorry I meant if your DH was adamant.
I completely agree with you that this needs to come to an end now

ScrommidgeClaryAndSpunt · 14/07/2017 11:11

Oh dear, OP. He's looking more and more like a chancer, isn't he. I reckon your OH now needs to play it something like this:

"Dear DSS

Nice to hear from you and I am sorry to hear about your continuing troubles.

There is one thing I need to say first of all, which I need you to understand very clearly, and it is this: I will not be giving you any more money. I simply don't have it. Please don't ask again.

With regard to your life plans, what you need to do is work out how YOU are going make it all happen. You need to realise that it is not all going to fall at your feet, and no-one else is going to put the effort in for you. I am happy to give you advice on how to go forward from here financially, but you need to be willing to take that advice and act on it.

If you're serious about wanting help from me (as opposed to another sub), let's meet and chat properly.

Love

Dad"

Bambamrubblesmum · 14/07/2017 11:29

Dear DH, I love you but you're being a mug. Get a grip.

Dear DSS, I'm coming over to on x date. Where shall we meet? There will be no money on offer. You need to understand that. I'm willing to talk, that's it.

If you must reply and won't shut him down call him out.

But if it was me. I'd send this:

The answer to your requests for money is no. End of.

tomatopuree · 14/07/2017 11:34

I have rtft...I feel such sadness for your DH. I totally understand the need for him to hold on to hope ...hope of a relationship that has sadly burned out.

Bittornhelp · 14/07/2017 20:57

Just sent this - OH doesn't know yet, but surely not too objectionable...??

"Dear DSS,

Sadly, no - we really don't know that it's you. All we know from our end is that every few weeks we get an email request for money, followed by radio silence when professional financial advice and even free driving lessons are offered to you.

You really cannot expect OH to keep sending money into the unknown - especially when you don't appear willing to ever meet him or take him up on any other form of practical help.

OH's time and advice will always be on offer to you, and I'm 100% behind him lending you his support on a practical level. But you do need to understand that we will not be issuing any more "no-strings" cash over the internet going forward.

We both wish you all the very best, and will always be here if you need us.

Regards,

Bittorn"

I've certainly forgiven OH far worse....

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Bittornhelp · 14/07/2017 21:06

Sent it via Facebook too.

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Zoflorabore · 14/07/2017 21:09

Well done op :)

Bittornhelp · 14/07/2017 21:09

This about one thousand million times nicer than wanted to put it!

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Lexieblue · 14/07/2017 21:10

I've read the whole thread and I'm gobsmacked at how patient you have both been with him Bittorn. It's such a shame this young man can't seem to see he would have so much more than money to gain from two such warm and giving people :(

NoSquirrels · 14/07/2017 21:14

Good job Bit. There will be fall out, but it needed saying. Well done.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/07/2017 21:18

It's a good email and a decent attempt at making things clear - but it won't work because he doesn't want advice, he doesn't want a relationship with your DH and he certainly doesn't want to take responsibility for himself

What he wants is your money

I agree with the PP who said to brace yourself for an invented, major "crisis"

Bittornhelp · 14/07/2017 21:31

Puzzled, I'm sure you're right - but OH would never forgive me if I went from 0 to 60mph right away.

I wrote about a hundred of these before settling on the "nice" version!

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InfiniteSheldon · 14/07/2017 21:48

Block him he's a scam artist only after money

WankYouForTheMusic · 14/07/2017 22:09

That's SM. As sure as eggs is eggs.

BewareOfDragons · 14/07/2017 22:10

Has he seen the message yet?