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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
Pandoraslastchance · 13/07/2017 19:53

He needs to sign up for jsa which will in turn get him half price travel on local buses for when he has to attend interviews. They will also be able to assist him finding some employment.

I would have lost my temper with him by now and told him to get lost and that in no uncertain terms would he be getting any money, let alone driving lessons or a car.

CotswoldStrife · 13/07/2017 19:58

I don't see the connection between his bank account and his career at his feet at all Hmm

I would be beyond irritated in your position. No mention of a meet up. Just show me the money.

Would your DH be willing to simply repeat the same answer time and again when he gets the begging emails? Literally respond with the same email as last time, no changes?

Bovneydazzlers · 13/07/2017 20:05

I think you've just got to stop discussing practicalities. It isn't going anywhere. It also isn't giving your OH closure.

I think it's time to bare his soul. Make 'DS' realise the impact of all this to your OH.

Obviously different words, but I'd be telling him something like

'DS',

When I was with your mother I loved you like my own son. You were the child I never had, and have still never had. The pain of not seeing you after we split up was awful, I grieved for you, and our relationship. I'm sure there was much pain both sides.

When you first got in contact, I can't tell you how happy I was, I was prepared to give anything to regain our relationship. Every time that my request to meet has been turned down, I grieve again, old wounds are reopened and it dominates my thoughts and I cannot get on with everyday life.

I can't help you are using me for money with no wish for a relationship.
Please understand, I do not wish you to think that I am bribing you with money into seeing me, but you have to be honest with me into what you want from any future relationship. Every time you contact me just for money but evade any queries about meeting, it breaks me.

Please have a long think about what you want from this relationship, and please be honest with me. I can't provide money and prolong contact where that is the only reason you wish to know me.

Therefore I hope you understand why I cannot give you money to tide you over till next time, but remember I will always be there if you want a genuine relationship.

Love Dad

(I suggest you making it sound less bad than I did above!!)

Smitff · 13/07/2017 20:25

Oh gosh.

I'm a bit of a softie, I find this sort of thing hard. Times are indeed very different now, it's not as easy to get a minimum wage, or part time job as it was 20 or 30 years ago. Zero contract hours have a lot to answer for.

I also wonder at this point WHY he is refusing to meet with your DH. It's hard to say "you'll only get money out of me if you have a relationship with me", and it's also hard to hear that potentially. Do you know what the repercussions might be for him vis-a-vis his mother if he does meet your DH? Might he be stuck between a rock and a hard place, leaving him no option but to beg?

I don't think I could bear the begging, or the possibility that a potentially fulfilling career might not even get off the ground for the sake of a year or two of substance money.

Is there any chance that you can help him get a part time job by putting him in the direction of someone you know who might pay him? For anything (given he's tried shelf-stacking etc)?

I don't think your DH should continue writing cheques. Neither do I think a young person should have to beg (which is what I think it's become). He should be making his way in the world, and yes there are more resourceful people than him, but clearly he's struggling.

In terms of the actual relationship, the show's not over. He's still very young, not yet lived enough to perhaps understand what your DH is saying. Looking 15 or 20 years down the line, I think it's entirely possible that there might be a healthy and rewarding relationship between the two. Helping him find some minimum wage work would do nobody any harm.

Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 20:45

It is hard, yes - hence the posting!

I don't see how any of this is OH's responsibility though.

And, having only learned to drive myself a couple of years back at 33 and never wanted for a job all those years, I just cannot buy that Tesco and what not are not giving him a job due to lack of licence.

All he needs is a bike to get him there and back!

FFS. I'm seriously sick of this shit - it would cause no end of fall-out with OH, but am very very tempted to go back to this kid (if it really is a kid...) myself....

OP posts:
NoSquirrels · 13/07/2017 20:51

Short and to the point now.

Thanks for your email. Give me a call and let's discuss. If you have no credit I'm happy to call you - let me know your number.

That's it. Stop mentioning money, emotions or ways he could get a job. Just offer a point of contact. You know what will happen, but your DH needs to see it himself.

MarciaBlaine · 13/07/2017 20:52

Jeez he is taking the piss now. As a young adult I borrowed the odd tenner off my dad and other wise got by. And I always repaid it. He wants no help but cash. Your dh needs to get hard to this. He is almostly definitely being egged on by his mother.

ceecee32 · 13/07/2017 20:58

Has it taken him the best part of 2 weeks to respond to your OPs email?

That to me says a lot - says he is not desperate for money at all and is just trying it on. He is not making much of an effort other than playing on your OPs emotions

Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 21:01

Yes, this long to reply - and fully agree...

OH would go temporarily ape shit, but am so very tempted to reply off my own bat and tell this boy where to go.

What to reply, if I did that, that wouldn't end in divorce....?

OP posts:
Smitff · 13/07/2017 21:03

He's not your DH's legal responsibility. But clearly DH feels something for him (affection, fondness) and to deny that might make him question everything that went before. It's not easy.

Smitff · 13/07/2017 21:06

Dear Blob

I am writing without DH knowing. You have put him in a difficult position which he is struggling with. If you are unwilling to meet or talk to him, please would you call me on [number]. I would be willing to keep our conversation confidential.

Both DH and I want to find a satisfactory outcome to your situation.

In expectation of hearing from you,

Bittorn

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2017 21:49

OH would go temporarily ape shit, but am so very tempted to reply off my own bat and tell this boy where to go

I believe you (very understandably) mentioned you'd like to do that last time, but nothing happened ... just as your DH said he'd like to make it clear there'd be no more money, but that didn't happen either

So please can I ask again: just what is it going to take?

Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 22:02

Soooooooooooo tempted to send this....

"These emails are starting to read more and more like those of some random internet Nigerian scammers.

Presuming this is even DSS (which I doubt, hello exW waves), I'm at an absolute loss as to quite how you think any of this is the problem of someone who you couldn't be bothered to see even just the once in the ten odd years you've been back in touch (tapping OH for money in the process every other bloody email....).

DSS (on the off chance it's actually you) - OH has offered you his time and his advice, which, if things are really as bad as you claim, you'd be very wise to take. But that's clearly not what this is all about, is it...??

Btw exW (hello again - no way are these emails from DSS alone) - do you remember that begging letter you sent signed delivery from to

OP posts:
Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 22:05

Puzzled, I wish I knew!

OH's adamant he's not giving money - but all the same is acting like an absolute fucking mug...

OP posts:
BMW6 · 13/07/2017 22:17

TBH I think you and DH would be best off just deleting and not replying.

blackcherries · 13/07/2017 22:27

Yes, please please just ignore it. Nothing's changed and you just prolong the same process by replying in any way.

GlitteryFluff · 13/07/2017 22:28

I wouldn't reply yourself. Don't let his cause any problems in your marriage.

I agree with either ignoring it totally.

Or DH sending one last email to shut down the financial begging

'As previously said, unless you're willing to take debt management advice from me and accept practical help with driving lessons, see you in the flesh (or whatever else has been discussed) then I can't help you. I hope you manage to work something out. Take care'

NoSquirrels · 13/07/2017 22:28

Don't do it, OP.

Short factual offer of a conversation or nothing.

No history, no emotion, no "solutions". Don't give any more.

Offer a contact- by phone - but nothing else.

He/they can feel the weakness, the emotional pressure point in your DH. Don't let them press it again. Don't give the satisfaction to them.

One offer - conversation- and nothing else. Short, factual.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2017 23:14

OH's adamant he's not giving money - but all the same is acting like an absolute fucking mug...

I'm not arguing, Bittorn Wink

If he really doesn't have the balls to do what needs to be done - and frankly, in your position, I'd lose a lot of respect for him for that - wouldn't it just be easier to delete the messages and totally ignore him in the hope that he'll eventually get bored?

RhiWrites · 13/07/2017 23:40

No, OP don't send that.

Bovneydazzlers message is spot on, I think.

notapizzaeater · 13/07/2017 23:40

I know you don't want to give money, perhaps offer train tickets as needed ? If he was really needing them he'd grab them

Lucked · 13/07/2017 23:44

Just read this thread and understand you frustration.

My suggestion

Dear DSS,
My number is 07xxxxxxxx0.

Give me a call and we will arrange to meet.

Dad

rightwhine · 13/07/2017 23:50

Thanks for your email. Give me a call and let's discuss. If you have no credit I'm happy to call you - let me know your number.

Perfect

provider5sectorzz9 · 14/07/2017 01:05

I agree, dont reply to any points he makes, just send this:
Thanks for your email. Give me a call and let's discuss. If you have no credit I'm happy to call you - let me know your number
(or words to the effect of) in response to every e-mail

Meowstro · 14/07/2017 01:19

I doubt it is DS and even so, if it is, he's solely on the mooch. Maybe watch a few episodes of Catfish with DH and he'll be demanding the face to face before anything more. As other posters have said, ignore the content and keep bringing it round to calling or suggesting picking him up from somewhere to suss it out.

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