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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

732 replies

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
Anatidae · 01/07/2017 18:19

Be prepared for an alleged serious crisis.

EssentialHummus · 01/07/2017 18:36

I've every expectation that another message will come, ignoring the practical help and along the lines of "I understand all this, but I really, really need you to help me just this once"

Yup. Maybe add a sentence to the effect that financial support isn't on the cards?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/07/2017 18:53

"I think you do have to realise that to a large extent you have to help yourself"

Actually, I'm an idiot not to have realised immediately that this is the bit he'll almost certainly focus on ... "I do want to help myself and be independent, but I can't get there without you helping me just this once"

I also agree with Essential that a line making it absolutely clear there will be no money would have been wise - but I think you said it's been sent now?

Bittornhelp · 01/07/2017 19:04

I did have a phrase in to exactly that effect - but it didn't make the OH cut....

My influence only goes so far - and falling out over this now would be just toxic.

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sparechange · 01/07/2017 19:08

I think it is a great email, and sets out your DH's position very clearly.

There will be a response to this though, and it will be whingey

EssentialHummus · 01/07/2017 19:09

bit I think there's a part of your DH that badly wants to connect with this lad, and saying "Financial support isn't on the cards" feels too difficult/hurtful to do.

I really feel for him and for you. And I'm in two minds about whether it's still his mum behind this.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/07/2017 19:12

falling out over this now would be just toxic

I don't doubt this, and absolutely understand where you're coming from; I also completely get what you've said about DH not being ready to cut DSS off entirely

However I do wonder just how much more of this he thinks you should have to put up with, while he moves towards the inevitable

LazyDailyMailJournos · 01/07/2017 19:18

I really do agree with Puzzled - the email does not go far enough and I am fairly sure that the response it will elicit is a load of claptrap about having to swallow his pride and only having 50p to his name.

Your DH must call out the financial issue. It's what he has an issue with, so why isn't he being honest and upfront and saying so? It's worth pointing out to him that he wants DS to be honest about his intentions and motivations, yet your DH isn't willing to put any skin in the game by making his own position clear!

I'd amend this section:

Since we still haven’t met up after communicating for several years now, I have to wonder how serious you are about accepting help. I am concerned about the fact that I don't seem to hear from you unless you want financial support. I have offered you assistance with teaching you to drive and advice on debt reduction (an offer which still stands). At the moment, I have no way of knowing if it’s you who’s really writing to me, or how much of what you say is true

I'd take out the last sentence because it's likely to prompt something very defensive and ultimately, you have no way of proving who is saying what - so I wouldn't even go down that route.

Bittornhelp · 01/07/2017 19:24

I don't disagree, and it will happen - OH just needs to get there in his own time... I can't force his hand.

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/07/2017 23:02

I think you're right to somewhat allow OH to find his way to understanding that he's being used as a cash cow. To push him now would only create a 'DS vs Bittorn' scenario in his head. No point in getting his back up unless/until you really have to.

Time enough to do that if push really comes to shove.

PurpleDragon76 · 02/07/2017 12:20

Though it would be painful for your OH I really hope this boy just admits he has no intention of meeting and cuts off. His dad needs to cut off to, or this wound could just be kept open for years. Such a crap situation.

Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 19:20

"You know this is me. Tell me, how am I supposed to get a job when I now have £5 in my account, no jobs local (I've had plenty of rejections for being ' overqualified' ) & unable to afford any type of transport to go to other towns etc. All I need is someone to actually believe in me and my career is at my feet. I've tried everything to get a job, Tescos, Domino's, WHSmiths, Warehouses etc. I am banging my head against a brick wall going around in circles. A small amount would go so far for me."

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YouTheCat · 13/07/2017 19:22

But if he really was serious about this I think he'd have met your dp by now face to face and not been such a shit.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 13/07/2017 19:23

Oh god. I'm so sorry this is still going on

But look. Nothing in response to your dhs offer of financial advice. No suggestion of a meet up.

Nothing's fucking changed.

How's your DH?

Whocansay · 13/07/2017 19:26

FFS.

Go back with 'No. I don't know who this is. I just know I'm getting begging letters from someone who refuses to take any real responsibility for their own life'.

And NO MORE.

That private education your DH paid for really wasn't money well spent. This must be awful for you both.

provider5sectorzz9 · 13/07/2017 19:29

'You know this is me'
Well he would say that wouldn't he!

ohfourfoxache · 13/07/2017 19:35

And he still won't meet face to face? Shock

Bloody hell, I'm so sorry you're still going through this Sad

ChasedByBees · 13/07/2017 19:40

'I don't know this is you. You haven't shown any interest in meeting since we reinitiated contact. All I know is there are requests for money and that's the only time I ever receive virtual contact.'

Bittornhelp · 13/07/2017 19:43

I should point out that I was mistaken on the private education bit - OH paid for the sister to go private due to dyslexia; DSS went state. I'd assumed it had been both - sorry to mislead.

This kid surely has a sixth sense (or scammer's instinct!) - he always drops these little poison pen bomb shells just as you're starting to move on from the last...

We owe this kid nothing. He sounds so fucking entitled! What about JSA if it's that bad!

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provider5sectorzz9 · 13/07/2017 19:43

Would he speak on Skype ?

Questioningeverything · 13/07/2017 19:45

I actually have no idea who this is. Because the person behind the repeated requests for cash refuses to meet. So I'll take a leaf from your book as I close it- I'm going to refuse your requests and ask you to leave me alone and not contact me again.

Questioningeverything · 13/07/2017 19:45

(What I'd send)

provider5sectorzz9 · 13/07/2017 19:47

All I need is someone to actually believe in me and my career is at my feet
I don't think so, not if he wont even put himself out enough to meet face to face with the person he keeps begging for sponsorship from
He's not showing much get up and go for someone with such a great career ahead of him

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2017 19:51

We owe this kid nothing. He sounds so fucking entitled!

So will this be enough for your DH to finally appreciate what he needs to do, or is he planning to drag it out yet more ...?

FiveGoMadInDorset · 13/07/2017 19:52

Sounds like my nephew, world and family owe him a living

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