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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
Bittornhelp · 29/06/2017 20:58

Ahh you are all nice. Nest of vipers indeed! :)

OH and I have had a frank discussion tonight.

OH is in no way prepared to give him money, but neither is he prepared to totally write this kid off completely just yet. I've made clear that offering time and advice is absolutely fine by me, but that if it really did come to it, then I fully expect him to choose present over past, i.e. devoted long-term life partner who pays their way equally over occasional long-lost email money-grubber.

(I've supported him through an awful lot of shit over the last decade -
his mother's devastating Alzheimers, several periods of credit crunch unemployment, even a full-blown MH breakdown on his part a year or two back. There really is no competition between me and some ridiculously unsubtle, exploitative little asshat on the make.)

We've now compromised in that we'll formulate a response between us making clear what is and isn't on offer to DSS here, and see how he bites. Personally I'd prefer to make our position even clearer at this stage and draw a crystal clear line under this whole sorry saga - but let's let OH throw a final life line first.

I'll let rip the moment it's clear after that that this kid has zero interest in receiving the help he needs to stay afloat; he just wants some random to buy him a yacht...

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/06/2017 22:09

Sounds like a pretty good way forward, Bittorn ... if DH emphatically means it about not giving money you should be okay, although I doubt the messages will stop quite yet

Is he still sticking to his point that he'll offer nothing unless DSS agrees to a face to face meeting?

SilveryFlowers · 30/06/2017 06:28

Bittorn good for you.I do like your rather concise summing up of this young man's character!

Good luck with it all.

AyeAmarok · 30/06/2017 07:13

OP, you are a very kind and patient wife.

user1485166754 · 30/06/2017 07:58

Don't you think it could just be the ex wife all along? He's not met the son face to face - likely a catfish situation

Roomster101 · 30/06/2017 08:35

It could well be a catfish situation. However, I think it understandable that the DH wants to be 100% sure before cutting off contact. The main thing is not to give any money and to make it clear that he isn't getting any.

19lottie82 · 30/06/2017 08:54

could his e-mail have been hacked by
scammers

Ha ha ha..........My sides!!!!!!

hollyisalovelyname · 30/06/2017 08:58

Great post OP.
When was the last time your dh met his step son?
Do you live nearby so you can verify what he says?

rightwhine · 30/06/2017 09:54

Hope springs eternal. Dh is still hoping for the impossible relationship despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

If they do eventually meet up make sure that he doesn't agree to anything without you being present or talked to.

Bittornhelp · 30/06/2017 10:05

He hasn't seen him in nearly 12 years!

Yes, we can not be sure now whether it's him, his mum, or both in cahoots...

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pinkyredrose · 30/06/2017 10:15

12 years! ! Shock jesus! And he's got the cheek to constantly tap for money! Assuming it's him and not the ex. Has your OH even spoken to him on the phone in all that time?

rightwhine · 30/06/2017 10:46

12 years! That changes things.

Given the communication so far and complete lack of interest, then he wouldn't be getting a penny. I'd also give up suggesting to meet. He's declined so often now that even if he did agree, it obviously wouldn't be for the right reasons.

Jeez how many chances does he get? There is being caring and then there is being taken for a fool.

hollyisalovelyname · 30/06/2017 12:40

OP
😱😱😱 12 years.
Are you nearby to him?

tropicalfish · 30/06/2017 13:43

Im sure you wouldn't do this but don't make your help to him provisional on him seeing you otherwise he will feel blackmailed. This will not lead to a lasting relationship.
Your dh and you are very caring and have behaved with real principles.
Your dh's step son has not had a good role model to follow regarding money management and needs better guidance which you are best placed to give.
On the other hand, perhaps you are being scammed. He could have a gambling or drugs problem. Ask to see some financial evidence of his such as bank statement/ credit card statement. Not for proof as such but just to try and work out what is going wrong.

Hortonlovesahoo · 30/06/2017 18:48

12 years?! I think you've both been incredibly patient. Being kind to your DH here: wake up and smell the coffee! He sees you as an ATM and doesn't care about you, your feelings or any relationship.

I know how incredibly painful it must be to see all of your invested time and effort turn into nothing but there's nothing you can do to help him now. Let him be the 22/23 year old that he is

LazyDailyMailJournos · 30/06/2017 19:35

12 years is taking the piss - and I would be referencing that in your email reply. His Mum may well have blocked contact when he was younger - but he's an adult now and fully capable of getting on the bus / train to meet your DH. So what's stopping him?

Bittornhelp · 01/07/2017 13:30

So this is just what's gone out: OH has softened / lengthened it quite a bit, so it's a bit of a compromise piece...

Hi DSS,

Bittorn and I are okay thanks (apart from the normal hassle of work of course).

It’s great that you’ve been given interviews with . If they’ve turned you down, then I think that’s their misjudgement.

I appreciate sport is your passion, but as you are finding it’s also a highly competitive field to break into and not necessarily one that pays a living wage. If you are serious about meeting your goals and being truly “independent”, you will need a part-time job (more than one if necessary) to plug the income gaps and allow you to save up for the things you want and need. Bear in mind also that it’s not just about learning to drive in the short-term – you will need to budget for a decent car, for petrol, and for insurance premiums as well.

I think you do have to realise that to a large extent you have to help yourself. I worked as a paperboy as a child; at 15 I had a Saturday job; and at your age I worked behind the bar on top of the “day job” to make ends meet. When I was made redundant from the City, I worked in Mcdonalds to pay the bills. Bittorn took a year out at 23 to work, taking on all the overtime for her team to save up for her future plans. This is the way of the world when you’re starting out in life, and you are no exception.

Since we still haven’t met up after communicating for several years now, I have to wonder how serious you are about accepting help. I have offered you assistance with teaching you to drive and advice on debt reduction (an offer which still stands). At the moment, I have no way of knowing if it’s you who’s really writing to me, or how much of what you say is true.

I’ll leave this with you to think about – my time and my advice will always be on offer to you.

Love and good luck,

Dad

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JamRock · 01/07/2017 13:46

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/07/2017 13:57

Excellent email

MadisonAvenue · 01/07/2017 14:45

Really excellent email, it'll be very interesting to see what the response is - if there is one, of course.

Thesingingtoad · 01/07/2017 14:46

Great email - covers all the points and soft in tone.

part of me wonders if it is his mum though.

Questioningeverything · 01/07/2017 15:01

I hope you and your oh get the response that doesn't once again beg for money. I've followed this from the start and the son just seems like a money grabber (if it even is the son). It really reads like a Nigerian scam. I've had a few in my inbox, and it's startling how alike the emails are 😔

Hortonlovesahoo · 01/07/2017 15:11

I know it's been watered down for a reason but i wonder if it'd be better to say: we wont be giving you any money very clearly?

Sycamorewindmills · 01/07/2017 17:11

Great email.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/07/2017 17:59

Good email on the face of it, but DSS won't understand its subtleties as all he'll be thinking is "what does it say about cash? ... he's not said anything about the money!!!"

I've every expectation that another message will come, ignoring the practical help and along the lines of "I understand all this, but I really, really need you to help me just this once" and that your DH will get into a spin yet again

Still, at least he'll feel he's tried ... until the next time