To be told if a boy is sleeping with the girls at girl guides camp

[Babieseverywhere]

The guides have changed their guidance on boys attending meeting, trips and over night stays.

Previously the rule was no boys allowed.

Now all boys allowed but don't tell the girls or parents, unless the boy and his parents give permission !

There are already a massive amount of forms for attending rainbows, brownies, guides or Senior section which need signing, from permissions for photos to health and safety for activities but if a boy want to watch my 10yo undress that is ok and no one will be asking permission from my daughter or us !

How can this be legal ? Do girls have no rights in the UK in 2017 ?

Guides article online

Where exactly is the bigotry and transphobia, wictional?

I direct you to all the posts in this thread that say trans girls are boys. I direct you to all the posts in this thread that suggest that the poster would rather see a child lonely and without friends than have them associate with their dcs.

Biology is bigotry and transphobia then?

I direct you to all the posts in this thread that say trans girls are boys. I direct you to all the posts in this thread that suggest that the poster would rather see a child lonely and without friends than have them associate with their dcs.

No one has said they wouldn't want their child to be friends with a trans child or would rather they were lonely. We'd just suggest they join a different group. Again you're making stuff up.

Trans girls ARE boys though. Penis = boy.

user892 perhaps the trans community could campaign for, raise funds for and volunteer for trans rape crisis centres, just as women did fow women's rape crisis. And since the women who set these centres up were often low-status, low income women, and since people who have lived much of their lives as men before they transitioned will, on the whole have been better paid, have higher status, etc, then perhaps it'll be quicker.

Just moving in and stealing women's centres is not the answer.

you are talking about an activist group

I don't know anything about any activist groups. I don't think we have any transactivist groups in my area. Is this a social media thing?

You know there is a poster on here with a transchild who doesn't want to use the toilets and facilities of the gender they identify with - they're happy using the ones that fit their sex. Unfortunately the school is now insisting they use the gender appropriate facilities which is making that child very uncomfortable. If this policy isn't benefiting trans children, one wonders who is gaining from it?

Children shouldn't be encouraged to believe they can change sex. They can't. It's a myth and it's feeding a dysphoria that's no different to any other dysphoria.

Of course, there are young people like Lila Perry, proudly displaying her hard on under her skirt as she insists on using the girls changing rooms at her school. 150 girls all walked out in protest but Lila's rights to change according to how she 'feels' tramples all over those girls' feelings.

As for women in silos - women are entitled to choose women-only space. If transpeople also want to organise separately - go ahead. Just take your male privilege and entitlement out of my space.

I direct you to all the posts in this thread that suggest that the poster would rather see a child lonely and without friends than have them associate with their dcs.

Please copy and paste them here, wictional, because I haven't seen any such thing.

Go on. I dare you.

"No thank you I'll wait for a woman".

This is so telling. You don't really believe transwomen are actually women, do you?
It's more that you think people who don't play along are rude and mean.

That's all well and good Annie, and perhaps that'll happen. But I'm really interested to know what you think a transwoman should do right this very minute -

She's just been attacked by a man who has raped her. She needs help. What should she do? and how can she prevent hurting cis women in the process?

To a transwoman who has just been assaulted and needs to access a rape crisis centre right now - what should she do? Should she go? Or not go?

Either seek out a service for male victims (given that biologically she is male) or if she is uncomfortable with that then she can go to the police and be examined by a police doctor instead.

No one has said they wouldn't want their child to be friends with a trans child or would rather they were lonely. We'd just suggest they join a different group. Again you're making stuff up.

So when you direct them to join another group how exactly are they going to be friends with your children?

You don't really believe transwomen are actually women, do you?
It's more that you think people who don't play along are rude and mean.

No. I think the opposite. I think that's what someone who doesn't really believe transwomen are actually women would say :)

Well, what would you direct a man to do, user? is it OK for him to gatecrash a women-only service, too, because he needs it and damn the women who need it too?

Why are women always told to solve male problems? Why don't male people put the effort in to tackle to effects of male violence, without relying on women to sort it all out?

I advocate treating individuals as individuals rather than stereotyping them for characteristics they cannot help

So we're not supposed to do any class analysis at all? It's just chance that 1 in 3 black men in the US will go to prison compared with 1 in 17 white men. It's all individual choices and no systemic oppression? They can't help being black but we aren't locking up black men as a class, just millions of black individuals. We don't deny abortion to women as a class, just individual pregnant people. Most women actually chose to get paid less because that frees up 'career time' to do unpaid emotional, domestic and reproductive labour. It's all about individual choice.

Where is any of that posted wic?

Where has 1 poster said they want this child to be lonely and to not associate with their DC?
Please copy and paste such posts....i double dare you .

Also trans girls are boys and trans boys are girls that is biological fact only nothing more nothing less.

Is this a social media thing?

No, it's a patriarchy thing

user and what do you think would happen then? If someone actually had the guts to say that to their healthcare provider?
They could well be taken off the list of their surgery.

So basically, denied access to healthcare for not believing that men are women.

So when you direct them to join another group how exactly are they going to be friends with your children?

When they interact with each other in other settings.

So when you direct them to join another group how exactly are they going to be friends with your children?

Eh??
Have you lost the plot?
Directing to a mixed sex group is not about not wanting them to be friends with our kids it is about protecting the female only private spaces.

No, it's a patriarchy thing - no - I mean how do you all know that transactivists say such things? In person? Online?

Where's the post that says that a child should be lonely and friendless ?

User892 facilities there for women aren't really equipped to help transwomen and their very particular experiences.

Using services such as rape crisis and refuges wouldn't help them at all because there are a whole separate set of issues surrounding being transgender.

Women's aid and rape crisis can't access specific funding for transgender people, and they aren't trained for it either.

It won't help transgender people very much to access services not able to deal with them properly.

We need separate facilities with properly trained people.

There isnt one Kr1

It us just made up bollicks in an attempt to shut the thread down as is the banding about if the words transphobic and bigot.

Gain some respect and lose the ignorance.

Irony overload.