To not want to provide my DC nationality and country of birth to school?!

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What will the government do with the Country of Birth and Nationality?! AIBU to not provide this info?!

Wasn't me who mentioned the armbands, though I find it v interesting that people get so offended by reference to something that actually happened and that we all agree must not happen again.

In response to some of your points:

1. Me saying 'I'm not answering this question' is me - the public - not wearing it. Given the timings you can't blame people for thinking it is connected.

1. I hope you are right. But I'm not sure you are given last year's events.

1. The issue is that children should not be used to weed out illegal immigrants. We've already established that children have a universal human right to education.

The educational settings have always asked for that info though, defintely in the previous years. I remember being asked that when DD was in pre-school.

It's no good telling them feck.

It's all a big conspiracy dontchakno?

When I was asked for the same information in 1999 onwards it was obviously just excellent forward planning from incredibly organised conspirators.

Manumission

You should push for proper tests.

I'm an EU- born immigrant. We did get our school form asking about nationality of the kids shortly after the referendum. It did feel a little hostile. That said, I filled it in and handed it back.

Saying it 'It may well have said on the form that it was for census requirements' is simply not sufficient.

It has to be EXPLICIT otherwise it is not compliant.

The reason, is in part to ensure there is public trust in the collection of data and it is not being used for dubious reasons. The fact that government is currently working very hard to undermine that further because they are desperate to please a bunch of people with a nasty agenda doesn't help.

It only serves to make questions like the OP's legitimate even if she's 'goady' about it. Because what you interpret as 'goady' sure as hell looks like 'fear' to me and that is just not right regardless of how it is expressed. It undermines the fabric of a cohesive society.

There are people on this thread who have told the OP in quite passive aggressive terms why she must comply yet they are not being pulled on that yet the OP is pulled up on her tone and her manner. Why IS that?

This has to be about mutual understanding and a mutual appreciation about why someone might feel very fearful about giving that information.

This is why sensitive and appropriate handling of the issue is required from all institutions and people in positions of authority. (Yes that includes you Mrs Rudd and Mrs May) and why the public need to also be properly informed on why there is fear over data collection, because those who are doing it also in a position of power purely because they are British and much of the national press is behind them with this hysteria over immigration.

It has implications for how people interact with other services and other government institutions both in the short and long term.

Thanks lwej she's just had some more. But I think half of it is the goth gear and fear of daylight

I assume they use it for statistics of some description?

What difference will it make to you to provide the information?

Funny how angry a refusal to comply with an unreasonable demand (made with no explanation of how this information will be used or kept secure) makes some posters

oh well

Love it or don't, my immigrant arse is here to stay. You'll cope 😂

Why do you think not seeing a problem with the census constitutes hostility to immigration uncontrolled? That's a really strange conclusion to draw.

Who will cope? controlled

bizzare responses on here today

You seem to struggle with interpreting simple sentences, manumission

u ok hun

I didn't fill in the form

I couldn't give a shit if that is incomprehensible to those who choose to wilfully misunderstand

and if that makes you feel funny, oh well

You often post in this completely illogical, furious way about immigration issues uncontrolled. Why are you so irrationally fuming about everything?

A census is just a census.

It isn't new to all for this information. I remember when I started secondary school in the early 80's that our form teacher asked us to put our hands up if we weren't born in the UK. About 4 kids put there hands up. I recall one was born in India , dad worked for the foreign office, one in Hong Kong, dad in the Navy, and 2 in Zimbabwe. This being a rural school in Yorkshire we thought this was all terribly exotic.

Why is it an issue for the school to have that information, or the governement? They have it anyway from the various records already held on your child, they're just asking for confirmation of the details they already hold as being correct.

I don't see why that is such a big deal, but then I have spent 10 years living abroad, 8 of which was in Spain where they have an ID card from birth, with their personal ID number, name, photo, DOB, place of birth, parents names (until they reach 18), and address. They use that ID card for everything, including for international travel, and people carry them as standard, so there is never any issues with providing any of this and everyone knows what info is held on them.

As someone who has just had to shell out stupid amounts for a new driving licence to use as ID (I don't want to carry my passport around as I travel frequently and losing it would be a huge headache, but I don't drive in the UK) and will have to pay out even more when my passport expires next year, and if I ever lose either I will have to pay out even more to replace them. I wish we had a similar system, if only so I wasn't out hundreds of pounds every time I need to prove my identity and the only valid forms of ID are ones you have to pay (extortianate amounts) for.

Can you seriously not follow the logic by which someone broadly pro-immigration might not find the census problematic uncontrolled?

You really think that people have to entirely agree with you or else they are anti you somehow?

You seem to struggle with interpreting simple sentences, manumission

No need to be so rude

We know that the Home Office wanted the DfE to conduct passport checks on children in schools with the aim of deprioritising children of illegal immigrants from schools, and potentially removing allocated school places. We know that this was blocked by Nicky Morgan for practical as well as moral reasons.
We know that the Home Office is seeking to create a hostile environment for illegal immigrants.
We know that when the DfE refused to do passport checks for the Home Office that agreeing to collect nationality data was the compromise agreement.
We know that there was an agreement to share this data with the Home Office.
We know that this agreement was only overturned in October, after the data collection date, and because concerns had been raised about the purpose of the data collection.
We know that the DfE has agreed to remove the data provided from the database during the Spring census if parents request it, due to disquiet about the actual purpose of the data collection.

Wasn't me who mentioned the armbands, though I find it v interesting that people get so offended by reference to something that actually happened and that we all agree must not happen again.

Maybe people get offence because they had families like mine were, killed in concentration camps.

This form is nothing like this and is no different to information that has been asked in many forms for decades.

The comparison is wrong.

The school does not have to be any more explicit than to say it is required by the Government for the school census.

The guidance from the DFE on the school census states:

"Putting the school census on a statutory basis:
• means that schools do not need to obtain parental or pupil consent to the provision of information
• ensures schools are protected from any legal challenge that they are breaching a duty of confidence to pupils
• helps to ensure that returns are completed by schools"

he HO knowing your child's nationality and place of birth is not relevant to their education or provision of their education

I am a foster carer and currently look after one child born in another EU country and another from an Asian country. Sharing information with the schools/education authority has in my experience been very positive. The teachers and the schools have always been very sensitive towards any part of the curicullum that may effect the children, encouraging and supportive towards their own cultural needs and sometimes supplying books in their own languages. The child from an EU country is amongst many who have settled locally, and therefore school staff have been employed to help them with any language difficulties. So for the children I have cared for the sharing of information has been a positive thing and the authorities knowing this too has also meant more help and support for them. So all good really.

oh no, not rudeness! Whatever next, milk added before the tea is made?

the horror

in seriousness, the juxtaposition of an eloquent post regarding the insecurity of the information collected, and how it has already been put to use in unethical ways against exhortations not to be rude is kind of funny, if depressing

The jokes wrote themselves I guess

This being a rural school in Yorkshire we thought this was all terribly exotic

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