To be HORRIFIED that this might be taught in my daughters school

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

Have any of you come across this? Do you know if this, or other lessons have been presented to your primary (or secondary) age children?

www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-transgender-doctrine-in-schools-a-bizarre-educational-experiment/

I'm always surprised at how anti trans these things tun into. No one is going to convince a child to become trans by having a less binary view of gender in schools anymore than you're going to turn gay by discussing those issues at school. I had a friend with a child with gender issues and he massively struggled, statistically trans children at massive risk of suicide, depression, dropping out of school early etc if schools can have a sensible discussion about gender which might help these children all the better. My DS has no gender issues as far as I can tell but I don't see what possible harm would come to him from thinking about gender as more fluid.

sardines

Sounds like the handmades tale, TBH (was that the name? Idk).

Oh, the music video my father showed me was Smalltown boy. (Wasn't a new song when he showed me, but he apparently felt the need to show me...)

Still makes me cry just thinking about it, TBH.

"Menstruaters" is being popularised by Radio 4 Queen

Handmaid's tale... that happens when I try to translate book titles without looking up their English name... oops.

If it were true that transgender children have a higher incidence of suicide, and true that transgender children have always been around but are only just beginning to be understood and accepted, then surely we would have a record of a bunch of unexplained child suicides that we could now pin down to them being trans. We don't have that.

I find the idea that some people believe that we - human beings - mammals - the world over, do not know what a man or woman, or a girl or boy is, and how to tell them apart, and what the difference in biological function is, a bit bonkers.

So, Boko Haram come to town and they want to murder the boys and kidnap the girls. How do they know which is which? HOW HOW HOW??? It's a mystery.

A mystery which also acts to disguise the fact that people everywhere know exactly how to tell who is a girl and who is a boy and there are consequences of that knowledge. We are what we say, right? Sex is irrelevant, only gender, right? So how do we explain the missing millions of girls in the world then? Sorry, when I say girls, I mean "people with cunts". You know, those ones.

This is a real danger. There have been calls to stop FGM being referred to as such, and to shut down / lobby charities that provide sanitary protection because they say girls. Many of the language changes suggested will serve to dehumanise female people, or to obscure that things are done to them because of their sex. How can we work to help women and girls around the world if we are not able to use those terms and draw the different but connected strands of their treatment together?

No one is going to convince a child to become trans by having a less binary view of gender in schools anymore than you're going to turn gay by discussing those issues at school.

No of course not.

But what good does it do - and how much harm - do brainwash an entire generation into a nonsensical construct of sex/gender? It won't help the trans child to think that there's only one correct (batshit) way of thinking about sex and trans issues any more than it will help every one else to be taught it.

if schools can have a sensible discussion about gender which might help these children all the better.

I agree with you, but they are not having sensible discussions about gender, they are enforcing a harmful idealogy.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it not true.

Just what are you imagining we don't understand, and what 'truth' are you referring to?

Self harm and suicide is on the up in girls.

Do I think that lots of girls will "trans" to try and get away from what it means to be female through puberty and beyond? Yes, of course they will. The stats are showing massive increases in numbers of girls looking for help with gender issues. Much higher than boys. I find this troublesome. Is anyone even looking for reasons other than "blue brain"?

"Among the girls, 37% reported feeling unhappy, worthless or unable to concentrate, more than twice the percentage of boys reporting such feelings, a rise since a study in 2005, which was described by the researchers as “an important and significant trend”. The figure for the girls had risen by nearly four percentage points since 2005, while the figure for boys, 15%, had fallen slightly."
From here www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/22/third-teenage-girls-depression-anxiety-survey-trend-truant

Girls are UNHAPPY. They always have been. Girlhood esp when approaching puberty is scary. Always has been. This is an "Out".

Of course there will be some old-style transexuals but how many are just unhappy?

HaveNoSocks The trans agenda does promote the notion that gender is binary, though - otherwise, what are transgender people transitioning from and to? It promotes the idea that most people are 'cis' and happy with the gender stereotype than matches their sex. Some people fit better in the opposite box of stereotypes. They're trans. If you don't fit in either, you're non-binary.

The problem is that gender is a construct. Practically everyone is non-binary, because everyone has a mixture of traits labelled feminine, and those labelled masculine.

Does it make sense that those of us who don't believe gender concretely exists wouldn't want children being told that it does, and that anyone who doesn't fit neatly into a pink or blue box must be non-binary/agender/genderfluid?

Sarahnova - so in teaching children about sex - how would you define it, apart from using the dictionary definition.

Either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions .....with an added proviso (as I did with my children) that rarely, people are born with elements of both sexes and these people are called intersex.

This quote from a supply teacher referred to in that article is chilling:

"The three lessons I was asked to deliver were like something from the 50’s in terms of gender stereotypes. Slick animations showed diagrams of boys with mainly blue brains and girls with mainly pink brains. Amongst these pink and blue-brained figures were a minority of boys with pink brains and girls with blue brains. A video interview with a doctor explained that sometimes biology gets it wrong and a boy or a girl will be born with the “wrong” brain in the “wrong” body. But, now it is all ok because medical science can “fix” this and put the right brain in the right body. Interviews with happy trans kids who had taken drugs to stop puberty and were awaiting “gender reassignment” surgery made the whole thing look perfectly ordinary."

It's as though the battles feminists have fought against the idea that men and women have different intellectual capabilities never happened.

I think transing children is child abuse.

Anything that teaches children to be kind and accept people for who they are and treat people the way they want to be treated no matter what anyone else says or does is a good thing imo

Agree. The trouble is that children are being taught the exact opposite. Rather than accepting people as they are - including themselves - they are being taught that they may be in the wrong body and that the solution is to take lifelong hormones and to have surgery to remove their penis or breasts/vagina.

They are also being taught that differences in how the sexes behave are because of pink or blue brain, and not socialisation. That girls like pink and dressing up and that - if a boy likes those things - he is really a girl.

And somehow this is supposed to be progressive.

Queen

Honestly? I might have taken that out. I mean, nowadays I'm extremely glad I didn't.

But back then? And with the sometimes very physical gay bashing (wasn't a big fan of men, back then, tbh...). Idk what I would have done if somebody was... you like women, are a tomboy and like martial arts? Are you sure you aren't actually a man?

And of course sexual abuse is notorious for making girls hate their bodies and this topic is avoided like the plague when head-scratching over all this stuff.

And it's not like being gay. If you decide to be gay that's trickier generally than heterosexuality. A girl wanting to trans - she is being given the opportunity to join the dominant class - the ones who take up all the space in the playground and don't get leered at by random men on the street (nearly so much).

Gestational carrier is disturging. No longer a person, mother, woman, just a rent-a-womb

Schools should just teach the difference between male and female, clarify the seperate male and female areas -toilets and changing rooms- and explain the gender doesn't exist.

I am such a mix of what would have been termed tom boy & what is thought of as typically femine. I don't doubt some of it is socially condioned, but alot of it is just me, my adhd specifically -impulsive, loud, erratic, but sensitive and caring and nurturing. Nothing to do with being female or the gender of being a woman. The pink brain blue brain would have fucked my head. Schools should stick to science. Teaching tolerance and acceptance doesn't need to involve lying to kids and adding to their confusion. I want my girls to be free to be strong and confident and speak out because that is part of being a woman, not to have to identify as male to do so.

What is this harmful ideology they're teaching the article posted is so biased I can't make head nor tail of it. Can someone post something more factual?

I beleive that some people have body dysmorphia and might be helped with medication and in some cases surgery

I think gender is a social construct and any personal preferences towards colours, items of clothing, hobbies, sports and entertainment are down to personality

I think the "you are a woman if you feel like one" or "girls like pink and glitter and boys...and if you have a penis and like those things you should undergo treatment because you are a girl in the wrong body" is a crock of shit and i resent those things being taught as fact

As i have said above i do believe in body dysmorphia and have no problem at all with trans people

and explain the gender doesn't exist. but gender does exist at least psychologically and there is evidence that it goes further than that.

There's a massive potential for trans to be picked up on by parents who want attention or suffer from fabricated illness by proxy. If your parent tells you as a young child that you're "trapped in the wrong body" then no child is going to be able to challenge that. They trust their parents absolutely. Obviously not all parents of trans kids are like that.

Socks, I think it's the ideology that says biological sex is irrelevant and what defines someone as male or female is simply how they feel and the extent to which they conform to gender stereotypes about women and men's behaviour.

Have gender attributes are fluid, allways have been, but people don't need to change gender to have those attributes or identify as non binary to have a mix of them.

I'd love to hear some more about that, socks.

Psychologically, how does it exist?

And further, how, where?