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To be HORRIFIED that this might be taught in my daughters school

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 20/12/2016 13:47

Have any of you come across this? Do you know if this, or other lessons have been presented to your primary (or secondary) age children?

www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-transgender-doctrine-in-schools-a-bizarre-educational-experiment/

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PeteSwotatoes · 20/12/2016 14:24

storm body dysmorphics starve themselves and try to cut off offending body parts that are totally normal. They also have repeated plastic surgery even though they look totally bizarre.

Trans is just body dysmorphia in a different guise.

thatcoldfeeling · 20/12/2016 14:24

Pete - that WAS my point - yet so many on this thread seem to be going into some kind of panic at the thought of non-binary gender.

Manumission · 20/12/2016 14:26

There's a Daily Mail link on their website? Is that what you're telling us? And that makes them a "DM friend" and therefore discredited? Grin

I suggest people have a look for themselves.

Miserylovescompany2 · 20/12/2016 14:29

Maybe adults need further educating?

DotForShort · 20/12/2016 14:29

I would be delighted to see some sensitive (and sensible) lessons about transgender issues in schools. I can't really comment on this particular text, as I haven't read it. And the sources make me respond with a high degree of Hmm. The Daily Mail is not exactly a reliable source IMO.

Manumission · 20/12/2016 14:29

yet so many on this thread seem to be going into some kind of panic at the thought of non-binary gende

😂

Oh Lordy. Where to start?

Non-binary gender is the creationism du jour. I don't "panic" about creationism either but I sure as hell won't be relaxed about it being taught to DC as fact Smile

QueenOfTheSardines · 20/12/2016 14:31

Transgender is not the same as transexual.

Transexual >> body dysmorphia.
Transgender >> anyone who had a feeling in their head that they are different in some way

So eg you can get a trans person who has a penis testicles no breasts etc, and who is happy with their body, and who also prefers a "masculine" presentation ie clothes and hair and things that are usual for males in whatever society they are in, but feels female inside. They are therefore a woman (if that is what they say).

QueenOfTheSardines · 20/12/2016 14:32

What is non-binary anyway?

Someone who doesn't feel "like a woman" or "like a man" presumably. They just feel like "a person"? So, most of the human race then, I'm guessing.

thatcoldfeeling · 20/12/2016 14:32

What do you mean 'creationism de jour'.

I don't understand how you can put a 'crying with laughter' emoji next to something that is v real indeed for many people. You are making fun of people's identities and reducing them to your private joke FFS.

PeteSwotatoes · 20/12/2016 14:33

Queen exactly. But for some reason the current generation wants to put themselves into boxes.

Miserylovescompany2 · 20/12/2016 14:33

What is Transgender?
Transgender, or Trans: means someone whose gender differs from the one they were given when they were born. Transgender people may identify as male or female, or they may feel that neither label fits them.1
Transition: In order to express their chosen gender, transgender people may transition, or change, from the gender they were given at birth. They may change their names, pronouns or style of dress. Some transgender people also choose a medical transition, with the help of medical specialists, who will prescribe hormones and/or surgery.
Transsexual: a person who lives in a different gender to the one they were given when they were born. For example, someone who was called a ‘boy’ when they were born may feel very strongly that they are really a girl. They would be called a trans woman. If someone was labelled a ‘girl’ at birth, and they later realise that they are male, they would be called a trans man.
Gender Identity: a person’s internal feelings, and the labels they use, such as male, female, or transgender.
What does Gender mean to you?
Young people have lots of different experiences of gender:
• For some, being male or female is something they don’t think about, it’s automatic.
• Other young people feel pressure to measure up to what’s expected of them as male or female.
• Lesbian, gay, and bisexual young people are often told that the only way to be a “real man” or a “real woman” is to be heterosexual/straight.
• Some young people feel that male or female are labels that don’t work for them.
• Other young people can feel like they want to change the gender they’ve been living in during their childhood.

Is Gender a Box?
In our society, there’s lots of stereotypes of how boys and girls are supposed to be:
• Many people act like boys and girls are opposite to each other – completely separate and different.
• Some people say that boys are supposed to like sports.
• Girls can be expected to like pink and have long hair.
• Girls and boys can be encouraged to go into certain types of jobs and not others.

Lots of us find ways to step outside these gender boxes, by wearing different clothes, liking different music, or doing a job that’s outside the norm. Trangender people are also dealing with these gender boxes. Some people feel like they don’t fit at all into the male or the female box, they might call themselves transgender. Some other people want society to be open when they completely change to the ‘opposite’ gender (transsexual people).

Note: Gender identity and transgender are different from sexual identity and lesbian, gay and bisexual. Sexual identity is about who you are attracted to; gender identity is about how you identify as male or female.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/12/2016 14:33

Manumission

Educational institutions need to be pushing back with (at a minimum) the idea that words have defined meanings.

Who do you mean by "Educational institutions"?

CancellyMcChequeface · 20/12/2016 14:34

Stormtreader People with genuine body dysmorphia deserve a lot of support and compassion, and I accept that in some cases having surgery and 'living as the opposite sex' is the best, albeit imperfect, solution for their situation.

These people, though, are what used to be known as transsexuals - they feel literally 'in the wrong body' and reject their own anatomy. 'Transgender' is different and covers all sorts of people including men claiming they have a 'female penis,' part-time crossdressers, and Danielle Muscato who has done nothing at all to 'transition' but claims to be female. According to transactivist ideology, all of these people are women if they say they are, because womanhood is just a feeling and not a biological reality.

This is what most people take issue with - not the minority of cases where there is genuine and devastating dysmorphia. And surgery is a crude solution to a complex psychological issue, just like surgically removing the arm of someone who is convinced it doesn't belong to them would be.

1horatio · 20/12/2016 14:34

That seems like a very British thing...

I'm not really worried, no. If DD wants to follow this silly business when she's older she's free to do so. If that makes her happy... shrug.

If we were to be too concerned we could always send her to a private school.

Or maybe that trend has blown over in a few years...

1horatio · 20/12/2016 14:37

However, I do really pray to any and all existing Gods (lol) that DD won't have body dysphoria.

That seems like a very horrific condition where surgery and hormonal treatement are the best options.

There's this reddit site ask.transgender... some people there seem to be silly kids... other, if you read how much they sacrifice and how much they go through :(

Rogue1234 · 20/12/2016 14:37

Has anyone actually looked at the company the article have mentioned? Educate and Celebrate do a lot of work in schools to promote inclusivity and prevent LGBT+ related bullying.
The exact opposite of what the quoted article and many people on this thread are promoting.

hazeyjane · 20/12/2016 14:37

Why?
I want to teach my children to be accepting of peoples differences. If people want to dress differently, call themselves the opposite sex, live a different lifestyle or, if they are so unhappy in the body they have - have surgery (after counselling and at an appropriate age).

But I also want them to know the scientific facts - sex is binary - male and female, xx and xy chromosomes (with the rare exception of intersex conditions). Even with surgery this cannot be changed.

I also want them to understand these issues in the wider context of society and it's attitude to women. That we have been constricted by our sex, because of the made up bullshit of 'gender'. But you (my daughters and my son) don't have to be - you can wear what you want, love who you want and be interested in what you want.

Manumission · 20/12/2016 14:38

Don't be ridiculous cold.

You've just told a collection of perfectly calm women critiquing a problematic idea that we're "going into a panic". The ONLY sensible response to that depth of misogyny is laughter.

And the new "non binary gender" doctrine can't be anything BUT ridiculous because gender isn't real. Anyone of any sex can do anything they like. (Except give birth etc which no amount of trans theory will make available to the other sex,)

PeteSwotatoes · 20/12/2016 14:38

It is not bulling to disagree with trans ideology.

hazeyjane · 20/12/2016 14:39

My why? Was to thatcoldfeelings first post!

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 20/12/2016 14:40

@1horatio that is fine, but 'older' in a lot of these cases is pre/early teen. Do you think it's a good idea for her to decide to potentially become sterile at that age?

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 20/12/2016 14:41

X post

Manumission · 20/12/2016 14:42

I'm not sure how to clarify that further boney

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 20/12/2016 14:43

Just in case this needs clearing up...

Promotion of LGB and T inclusivity. No bullying etc. Hunky dory.

Promotion of trans theory in general amongst children. Telling them they can change gender. Not so hunky dory

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