To be HORRIFIED that this might be taught in my daughters school

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

Have any of you come across this? Do you know if this, or other lessons have been presented to your primary (or secondary) age children?

www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-transgender-doctrine-in-schools-a-bizarre-educational-experiment/

You are making fun of people's identities and reducing them to your private joke FFS.

Hipsters get made fun of and laughed at all the time. Do you get upset about that too?

BeyondIBring

I share these concerns. I would certainly insist on egg freezing. Or simply delaying puberty. Obviously all only with the advice of several therapists etc....

I admittedly have thought quite a lot about it (DH has a feminist... department/group at work who seem to really like us. I assume it's because he's currently reduced his work and mostly works from home, idk)

There is a transgender child in my DDs school, I think given that it's becoming a more common occurrence it helps that children will understand.

How do they do sex education? Do they just reference "people with penises" and "people with vaginas"? I'm genuinely interested.

I must show this to my brother, as he used to be my sister and has zero to do with the LGBT organizations at home/uni as he thinks the trans-rights movement has lost its collective mind. He even thinks (gasp) that non-passing transfolk shouldn't expect to be allowed into the toilets belonging to their gender identity. I wonder what he would make of this.

Promotion of LGB and T inclusivity. No bullying etc. Hunky dory.

Promotion of trans theory in general amongst children. Telling them they can change gender. Not so hunky dory

Yes, this.

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all.

I too would be horrified if my son had to listen to this crap at school.

Like all of us, he doesn't conform to gender - becuase gender is a load of made up shit to keep women in their place. Specifically, he is quite quiet and shy, has long hair and loves all things that sparkle. No big shocker, or at least it shouldn't be! He gets called a girl.and right now he very confidenently tells me that this makes no sense and girls and boys can have whatever hair and interests they like etc.

The "education" provided by "Educate and Celebrate" would utterly confuse the young minds of him and his classmates. They sound wonderful and progressive but I have no doubt they only reinforce gender stereotypes. The concept of trans and "gender identity"makes no sense outside of stereotypes even to adults, and I certainly don't think it can be discussed with children without reinforcing stereotypes.

1horatio who will these frozen eggs be grown in? You're assuming the availability of surrogates, I think?

Blurry

I'd love to know his opinion, TBH. And pick his brain. Sorry

Sometimes I think all these nonbinary kids just need to go to boot camp.

Stick them with my old trainers for 2 months and they'll stop complaining about shit like this.

It's quite a big deal to harvest eggs I think - don't you have to have hormones and things over a period of time?

Good point Mumumission - gender is not binary anyway. In which case - why are people 'horrified' at that being taught in school?!

The guest post from the supply teacher in op's link really scares me.

The three lessons I was asked to deliver were like something from the 50’s in terms of gender stereotypes. Slick animations showed diagrams of boys with mainly blue brains and girls with mainly pink brains. Amongst these pink and blue-brained figures were a minority of boys with pink brains and girls with blue brains. A video interview with a doctor explained that sometimes biology gets it wrong and a boy or a girl will be born with the “wrong” brain in the “wrong” body. But, now it is all ok because medical science can “fix” this and put the right brain in the right body. Interviews with happy trans kids who had taken drugs to stop puberty and were awaiting “gender reassignment” surgery made the whole thing look perfectly ordinary.

How on earth can we even begin to tackle gender stereotyping in the younger generation when they are being taught that 'blue' and 'pink' brains exist? How can we teach self-acceptance when they are being told that they can just have cosmetic surgery to 'fix' themselves?

I personally know a girl who is transgender. I think ultimately it is an incredibly difficult thing for some people to understand. The girl I know has been through a huge amount of treatment and it doesn't just boil down to her liking girly things instead of boy things, there is a lot more to it.

I think that as a society we need to stop telling boys they can't play with dolls or like pink, and stop telling girls they're too weak to play rugby for example or they need to wear makeup and wear dresses. The idea of gender stereotyping needs to stop.

If schools are going to teach anything, it should be that anyone can love anyone and anyone can like and do anything without being told their gender is a barrier to doing it. While I have no issue at all with transgender people, it seems sufficiently rare that it doesn't need to be specifically raised in schools.

cold

I said that gender doesn't exist.

Now run along and find some other women to tell they are "going into a panic" because they dare to use their critical faculties.

That is it William.

Exactly that

Queen

As I said, if I ever was in this very unfortunate position that DD genuinely has gender dysphoria (as in, extreme mental anguish because of her female biological attributes) i would consider allowing her to transition or (far preferab) to go on puberty blockers!

She could make that decision when she's 18. Not that I think 18 yo really know a whole lot, which is why I think egg freezing, puberty blockers and then the choice with 18 would be the way I could potentially agree on (DH has similar ideas, btw).

And yes, I would account for the availability of surrogates. It isn't even that expensive anymore. And I'll assume they'll improve their procedures.

And I think she could actually implant these eggs even on herself, if she doesn't have a surgery to take out her reproductive organs, obviously.

The second line in the article linked to was a link to a Daily Mail article.

There are no names that I can find on that website - so there is no way of finding out who "transgendertrends.com" are.

I don't really understand much about it tbh.

I don't believe for a second however that it's simple as telling people they can do and be and play/play with whatever they want.

I dont believe people would go through what they go through. Hormone treatments, years of hiding, and what must be excruciating pain with surgical procedures and the risks they take having it done if they could have just payed football as a child.....

It very obviously is far more in depth and far more complicated than anyone who hasn't/isn't going through it could ever understand.

Anything that teaches children to be kind and accept people for who they are and treat people the way they want to be treated no matter what anyone else says or does is a good thing imo.

Someone has posted an Evening Stabdard link to the same story now Bertrand. Real news story.

sugarplum yes I think a line needs to be drawn between those with body dysmorphia - what we used to call transexuals - of whom there are not so many and who go through an awful lot

And these ideas around transgender which means that anyone who does not 100% comply with stereotype is trans (if they say they are). Based on this, most people are trans.

The increasing number of girls transing >> no-one is looking at the fact that girls have been uncomfortable in their bodies and scared around puberty for, well, a very long time I imagine! Periods are no fun, "becoming a woman" is scary, when men start eyeing you it's scary... Is it any wonder that so many girls are binding their breasts and looking to "present" as male? In my day it was starve yourself and wear baggy clothes. Why are there no conversations around this?

I have similar issues with religion taught as fact in primary school. But at least variations of the Christian church have been around for hundreds of years. This "pink brain in a blue body" is new random crap.

And it has the potential to severely fuck up the lives of my long haired, ballet dancing boys. If I have to bloody home school them, then I will.

Yes to being accepting
Yes to the understanding that people wanting to change their bodies to the extent of surgery to be happy, deserve understanding and not bullying
Yes to being inclusive

But

No to teaching my children a lie - that people can change their sex, that a woman born a woman is a cis-woman, that people are 'assigned genders'. No to that.

I suppose the presumed availability of surrogates is bothersome to me as well.

These are women who are being paid (not in UK as it's illegal) to bear children and hand them over. Many women being exploited all around the world. I feel uncomfortable with the "oh just have a surrogate" thing - this is use of another woman's womb, her having to have the risks of pregnancy and birth, and financial coercion is involved in many parts of the world.

This of course is a SEX based issue - and therefore one that in the coming years we will not have the language to talk about, in any meaningful way. That's probably another conversation though.

All of the transmen being told (as I just saw on a website) you can use a gestational carrier - it feels very minimising of what that actually means.

If I was told in school that if you don't like "girls things" then you're trans, then I would be trans.

So would one of my 2 DD.

Anyone else on the thread?