To be HORRIFIED that this might be taught in my daughters school

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

Have any of you come across this? Do you know if this, or other lessons have been presented to your primary (or secondary) age children?

www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-transgender-doctrine-in-schools-a-bizarre-educational-experiment/

Yep queen. I'm still suffering from issues caused by childbirth six years on. I doubt a couple of grand would have paid for treatment outside the uk, never mind made it worthwhile :(

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sardines

So true. I remember training way too much and being a horrible wreck during puberty. So much that my mother forbid me from boxing at home. we had a boxing bag for fun and I for the craziest reason liked to punch it [without gloves, obviously] until my hands bled. and back then, coming from a more grappling martial arts background I had no idea how to box anything. Ouch 😖

One of the reason she didn't protest me training (despite she, as a liberal hippy, hating martial arts). But she knew that me doing this with a trainer was safer than any other option...

That's how I see transition, in a way.

If DD genuinely has body dysphoria getting her to a therapist and medical help would be safer than her trying to get hormones illegally etc...

Yes to being accepting
Yes to the understanding that people wanting to change their bodies to the extent of surgery to be happy, deserve understanding and not bullying
Yes to being inclusive

But

No to teaching my children a lie - that people can change their sex, that a woman born a woman is a cis-woman, that people are 'assigned genders'. No to that.

+hazeyjane

So, I evidently would be veeery trans.

There is a high rate of detransitioning in ftm.

Also beyond puberty blockers also stop the vital development of the brain in the puberty years too, so at 18 your dd may not be any the wiser as to what she wants.

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If you can't participate in the debate without sounding like an MRA and then getting abusive maybe your arguments aren't as strong as you think they are?

I evidently would be veeery trans hahahahaha!!!!!

I also want them to know the scientific facts - sex is binary - male and female, xx and xy chromosomes (with the rare exception of intersex conditions). Even with surgery this cannot be changed.

I am not going to get involved in the disaster this turns into on mumsnet, and nor do I understand why the site is obsessed with the "trans threat", but this isn't actually true. I studied this as part of my degree. There's no definition of biological sex - hormonal, physical, genetic - that divides everyone into two boxes and doesn't leave numerous people unaccounted for. There is no neat answer to this question. About all we can say for sure is that some people are biologically capable of creating sperm, and some people are biologically capable of creating eggs and/or growing a foetus, and some people aren't capable of either.

I honestly don't understand how your children learning about people who are slightly different then you fills So many with fear.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it not true.

Sorry that was for 1horatio not beyond

1Horatio, my brother isn't available for brain-picking until Boxing day, unfortunately. He doesn't seem to dwell on the trans movement overly much, any road. He is what the new trans-movement would call "truscum", that is, he believes that in order to be trans you must feel dysphoria and thinks non-binary is a pile of crap. For instance, he doesn't think men's toilets should have sanitary bins as men don't have periods, and as he is a man he stopped himself having periods.

I wouldn't say our views on gender completely gel, but he's a lot saner than Riley Dennis and Danielle Muscato.

Urgh. Another same? one.

Why can trans activists not debate properly? On the issues.

Anyone else on the thread?

I would be. Refused to wear/play with anything pink, wore boys' clothes when I had a choice (because they were the ones with the cartoon superhero designs!) and loved science.

I'm pleased my dad said 'isn't it silly that the clothes designers think that only boys can like Biker Mice From Mars?' instead of 'what if you have a boy's brain in a girl body?' I wonder if the same would be true if I had been born in this decade and not in the 80s.

For fucking fucks sake I wish they would all just fuck off and concentrate on teaching reading writing and maths ect.., my oldest DD (my first) slipped right through the net and went into secondary school barely able to read write and spell. We were working full time running here there and everywhere and she had a fantastic memory so when she 'read' her book at bedtime she was just remembering the story from school.
Funding in schools is so scarce now with assistants being snatched away left right and centre that all this bollox nonsense bull shit really gets to me😡😡
There, I've said it and it's out there

"I studied this as part of my degree"

And you assume no one else did?

beyond for you, so many women suffer long term problems due to pregnancy / birth, I am sorry to hear that you are one of them.

About all we can say for sure is that some people are biologically capable of creating sperm man and some people are biologically capable of creating eggs and/or growing a foetus woman and some people aren't capable of either but are of the sex that does or are intersex.

Gestational Carrier - How bloody dehumanising is that!

Blurry
Up to now I agree with everything your DB seems to believe.

Cancelly absolutely.

my dad is awesome. He showed me a music video and explained in very 'childish' (I was maybe.... 12?) terms that parents should love their kids unconditionally and let them be themselves.

Seeing as I was a tomboy, am bisexual, had a girlfriend and was into martial arts... well done, daddy!! :)

Or....

About all we can say for sure is that some people are biologically capable of creating sperm male and some people are biologically capable of creating eggs and/or growing a foetus female and some people aren't capable of either but are of the sex that does or are intersex.

Of course statements like "so many women suffer long term problems due to pregnancy / birth" are trans-exclusionary so we won't be able to use them any more soon.

I think the current preferred option is "uterus bearers" or "uterus havers" is that right?

That's not like something out of a dystopian novel at all

Just gives the children one more thing to worry and puzzle about. Why would you want to do that?

Blurry get your brother on here. Maybe he and Miranda can do a double chat thingy and inject some trans sanity.