To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

Hannah- have you actually read the the feminist board? That's twice ( at least) you have referenced threads that don't appear to be on there.

It's a crock? The United Nations own statistics are a crock? Are they wrong then? Do men not actually commit the most murders?

Everyone is different Hannah, and you might not personally be aware of times when the patriarchal 'system' has worked against you but after I had a child I definitely noticed a difference in the way that I was treated at work. (Despite being a 'high flyer', I was routinely passed over for promotion as they feared that I would take another year out for maternity leave.)
And also the issues regarding primary care of children- the onus seems to be on the woman for this despite new legislation.
Also mansplaining- having something explained to me by some man who thinks he knows better because I am 'just a girl'.
The perpetual notion in film and tv that as women we are incapable, princessy beings who just want to find a partner and nothing else. How dull.

But yes, unless you experience it personally it is sometimes hard to understand.

Pluto feminists care about women's issues primarily. Would you tell a BLM activist that they should care about x y and z about white people? It's not a competition it's about fighting for what affects so many of us.

And as someone pointed out feminism hugely benefits men too

The baby cards thing isn't crap, sadly. It goes a lot deeper than that. Everything is connected underneath. I agree that people should be talking more about the underlying issues though. Although it's so disheartening to think about how to overpower a patriarchal system that's been there for thousands of years that it feels a lot easier to be angry about the pink and blue thing and completely ignore everything else. It's such a huge and inherent problem that it's hard to know what way to tackle it. Suffice it to say that everyone is a victim of our patriarchal society but women are generally the ones who suffer because of it.

Back when women were fighting for the vote, there were many women who were opposed to it. They argued that women's suffrage was a big fuss over nothing - a woman had no need for the vote because she would be represented by her husband's vote anyway.

OP is the equivalent of these women, who thinks feminism is just a big fuss over nothing. But fortunately women are so numerous that feminism has never needed every woman, or even most women, on board in order to reach to goals and effect change.

It's very fortunate that feminism doesn't need you OP. Although you are benefiting from feminism now, and you will continue to benefit from it, even though you are too dense to see that.

Only twats 'lol'

True fact.

Pluto back in the 80s it was accepted that men choose 'harder' methods of suicide. Shotguns (mostly male owners), diving in front of a train etc. Impulsive but emphatic acts. Women had less access to those. And inquests still play down intent unless there's a note. Women have accepted depression as a reason for dissatisfaction more readily than men.
Yes men do suffer from modern life but their suffering is less normalised. PND is a medicated condition in women. Often it's really a symptom of major life change, isolation, sleep deprivation and a failure to feel like a mummy.

Men do commit the majority of murders, yes - but they are also the victim of the majority of murders.

Hannah I'm not saying they should the issue is that the premier league especially is backed by billions to a relatively small number of people, nurses will never be paid as much because it would cost too much to the taxpayer to fix In fact at 100% tax it would probably still not work out

It's a crock? The United Nations own statistics are a crock? Are they wrong then? Do men not actually commit the most murders?

You know damn well that's not what I said at all.

I've dealt with female murderers. They tend to get a lighter sentence than men, even when the murder was more heinous in nature.

Yes they are the victim of other men. And women are the victim of men too. It still makes violence a gendered issue because the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male, regardless of the sex of the victim.

Ask yourself which sex commits the most murders? Men that's who.

Drastically higher suicide rates in men

That's a skewed statistic.

It's true that more men than women commit suicide however this is because of the more violent and deadly methods men choose, e.g jumping from heights. Most likely because men are conditioned to be more violent than women. Suicide attempts tend to be equally split between men and women.

harsher sentences for a man who commits the same crime as a woman

Source please?

However assuming this is true, who is giving these harsher sentences to men out? Most judges are men, are they not?

the automatic favouring of mothers over fathers in family law/court etc.

Again skewed statistics.

The reason why courts "favour" mothers over fathers in family courts is because women are still the primary caregivers for their children in the majority of cases. It's actually got buggar all to do with favouring women over men and has everything to do with the children's needs and what is best for them.

Almost twice as many men than women are the victims of violence

The vast majority of male victims of violence have been victims from other men. That's the point. It's the men doing the vast majority of damage, not the women. Of course violence is gendered

Pluto... acknowledging that something doesn't affect you isn't the same as not caring about it.
The wage gap may not affect you but does it not piss you off that it's something that your daughter/niece/granddaughter/sister might be privy to?
I'd be pissed off on their behalf. It would be very unusual that you don't know one person whom you care about that isn't affected by issues like this.

Likewise with your prison analogy- if I had a family member affected by that I'd be pissed off about that too and want to make changes.

So it's not saying that 'xxxxxx issue isn't a problem because I don't experience it.' If you deny a problem exists though then people will shout you down because they have witnessed otherwise. (Similar as if i were to deny your analogy- that would be incorrect because it does exist even though I haven't experienced it.)

But FWIW with the 18% wages thing I always think it's misrepresented it's men vs women as a whole so a premier league footballer vs a nursery nurse and a female brain surgeon against a bin man

There is some of that in some stats, comparIng different roles, though I think it comes up more in public sector vs private sector pay comparisons. Plus when you do compare different types, jobs which women are more likely to do are often paid less than jobs which men are more likely to do - there's plenty of evidence . But there are still too many cases

back in the 80s it was accepted that men choose 'harder' methods of suicide. Shotguns (mostly male owners), diving in front of a train etc. Impulsive but emphatic acts. Women had less access to those.

Er... wasn't aware that women had less access to trains.

Doesn't change the fact that men are vastly over represented in suicide rates. I couldn't tell you how many suicides I get called to. It was the first serious scene I ever got called to as a cop. And it was a man in his 40s who was a struggling farmer.

The other side of the coin, eh?

"A sports person"? Surely you mean a sportsman?

If you like, didn't want to offend anyone.... Again!

AVirgin

I'm a cop, and studied Law at uni. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I probably have a better idea of what I'm talking about here than you.

ps. Both male dominated industries that I've never once felt "lesser" in.

But there are still too many cases where men in the same job as women get paid more, because they are treated differently when they negotiate, because they're more likely to be judged on future potential rather than past performance, because men and women are judged differently for the same workplace behaviours.

It is true most men commit violence, yes. There is no denying that. They have the physical strength and power within gangs, criminal organisations and the military. However in women's prisons violence is actually worse than in male ones. If people have the power to inflict violence, they inflict violence.

The feminism forum is my favourite place on the Internet.

YABU in so so many ways.

Er... wasn't aware that women had less access to trains.

No but women are raised and conditioned to not be as violent as men. You only have to look at the prison stats for violent crime to see that it is very gendered and men are on average more violent than women. So it's hardly surprising that when it comes to suicide that men would be more likely to choose more violent methods therefore resulting in more men having successful suicide attempts.